Lol, ATF trolling power +1000

[nehalemguy]

I have a Franklin binary trigger for the HK platform. Lately they have been selling on GB for $1100-1200.....which is really tempting right now.

 

[CountryGent]

In Range TV had a video on this one today:

 

[SIG34]

Great range toy... seeing it can't shoot more then 50yards

 

[CountryGent]

I realize this is a necro, but there is a legal updated on this "thing". ATF classified it as a "shotgun" under GCA68, but, despite the short barrel, not a "short-barrelled shotgun" under NFA34. But they are still subject to the interstate travel restrictions of SBSs. Wonder why? Here is the ATF letter.

 

[Gbirk]

Man, that is the definition of "skin of the teeth" for not needing a tax stamp. The fact that is is not designed to fire a "shotgun shell" is all that keeps it out of the NFA.

 

[CountryGent]

Since I have an FFL, ATF sends me notices, letters, etc. via email. Today they released an "Open Letter" on arguably the most intensely stupid "rifle" released in recent memory. Can be read here.

 

[Lasers]

Since I have an FFL, ATF sends me notices, letters, etc. via email. Today they released an "Open Letter" on arguably the most intensely stupid "rifle" released in recent memory. Can be read here.

Interesting, so now it IS a SBS? I have no interest in purchasing something like that, but I can see why residents of some states would be interested in paying the premium for a less accurate "firearm"

 

[Member 34319]

So it's a non NFA controlled Short Barrel Shotgun.

Lol, that makes even more sense than before!

 

[nehalemguy]

It was a dumb idea to begin with.

-E-

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I don't get it. Why would anyone want this gun and what is the benefit to the owner?

 

[nehalemguy]

I don't get it.

You aren't alone.

Franklin hyped this firearm to the 10th degree for the Shot Show as being the next evolution in firearms and then had the big reveal........"Ta Da!!!!!! a "rifle" that couldn't group better than 6" at 50 yards. On a good day.

-E-

 

[CountryGent]

I don't get it. Why would anyone want this gun and what is the benefit to the owner?

No idea. It is, imho, one of the most moronic firearm built in recent memory. If you want an AR, there are a zillion choices. If you want an SBRed AR, you just paper it move on.

But, I guess there is someone out there who would want a "rifle" with hilariously bad accuracy, that the projectiles keyhole at 50 yards, has a binary trigger on it for some reason, and costs way more than decent AR pattern rifle. They're going to have to wait until ATF can catch up with the bureaucracy before any of us FFLs can sell one. And, yes, I would sell one if I could. Hell, I've transferred several Hi-Points, after all, so what am I hanging on to?

 

[Member 34319]

While Franklin does some dumb things and is overpriced overall. I do enjoy the middle finger they give to governing agencies and state governments.

For example, they sell this in California as a complete run around all the laws there against AR15s.

 

[nehalemguy]

So........what do you now do if you are the person who actually bought one?

-E-

 

[User 1234]

The letter contradicts itself, but seems to indicate that these are NFA-regulated SBS but no process exists for applying for a stamp.

 

[User 1234]

California is refusing to allow those Franklin "firearms" to be sold even though state law allows it. The California DoJ is refusing to update the software to match the law.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

No idea. It is, imho, one of the most moronic firearm built in recent memory. If you want an AR, there are a zillion choices. If you want an SBRed AR, you just paper it move on.

But, I guess there is someone out there who would want a "rifle" with hilariously bad accuracy, that the projectiles keyhole at 50 years, has a binary trigger on it for some reaons, and costs way more than decent AR pattern rifle. They're going to have to wait until ATF can catch up with the bureaucracy before any of us FFLs can sell one. And, yes, I would sell one if I could. Hell, I've transferred several Hi-Points, after all, so what am I hanging on to?

Yea it's like, ok let's go back to technology from 300 years ago for no real reason or benefit to anyone. Sounds like a top seller! (Kidding)

 

[User 1234]

They might be aiming for markets where SBRs are banned under state law.

 

[User 1234]

And they might also be correctly estimating that many buyers want the tacticool format but don't care if it does anything other than spray lead.

 

[pathfinder]

No rifling in the barrel making it not a Rifle