latest Sig 320 spontaneously discharge

[RX-79G]

I havent seen any solid evidence any of these incidences it was the gun alone. Todays vid is the closest only in that it appears (to me) to be in the holster but nothing investigating a holster obstruction or mod.

Theres been dozens more lawsuits against Glock for NDs all blaming the gun but nobodys being critical of Glocks design. I dont see how a Sig could AD on its own with internal safety features.

I guess nows a good time to find and share a vid or article on how the P320 safety system works. To be fair...

No one could see how the P320 could drop fire with all its safety features, either.

But I did. It's a stupid design with off balance bellcranks. The designers were morons. I don't know what's going on now, but at some point the fact that a retention holster design has to be so finely tuned to not set off a duty weapon is going to lead to an answer.

 

[RX-79G]

Evidence, thus far.
Glock and M&P have both had their time "in the barrel"

Frankly, they haven't this way.

 

[Mono1]

last I heard they'd spontaneously disassemble when the trigger was pulled.

No. That would be a Taurus. Seriously. I have had that happen.

 

[Koda]

But I did. It's a stupid design with off balance bellcranks. The designers were morons. I don't know what's going on now, but at some point the fact that a retention holster design has to be so finely tuned to not set off a duty weapon is going to lead to an answer.

id like to learn more about the P320s safety system, the new system not the original.
To be fair.

 

[sobo]

I guess nows a good time to find and share a vid or article on how the P320 safety system works. To be fair...

id like to learn more about the P320s safety system, the new system not the original.
To be fair.

Video is from 2022, so yeah, pretty new...

 

[DirectDrive]

Frankly, they haven't this way.

You haven't looked very hard.
Glock unintentional discharges are widely documented.
I've never looked for M&P UD's but I know that LA County had a rash of M&P UD's in the 2014/15 timeframe.
It was a transition period for LA County, just like with this Montville dept.

 

[sobo]

And just for grins, here's a video by the same guy as my post above explaining the pre vs. post-VUP differences.
Posted for posterity, since it wasn't specifically asked for...

 

[WillametteWill]

I just don't get what causes you to write these incidents off as coincidence or falsehoods.

Because there are many moving parts that are not being considered. Go into a police supply store. In the ones I have been in over the past year, for every holster for a Sig, there are about 10 for Glocks. Are some guns going in holsters that are suboptimal? Some stores have had none. In some of the NDs I've read about (after a full investigation is done) it has been found that lights were removed but guns were still being placed in holsters made for lights, allowing for more movement and possible trigger activation. Just saw a video in a class I attended this weekend where the officer had placed different parts in the gun lowering the trigger pull weight and had an interlimb response resulting in a ND (this was a Glock btw).

Frankly the lack of intellectual honesty is stunning when I see something posted that implies or states that nothing was going on and the gun just when off then you look at video and you see something resembling a rugby scrum.

That is why. I want the truth, but the spin is stunning when you don't have a horse in the race.

I havent seen any solid evidence any of these incidences it was the gun alone.

Yup, holster issues seem common.

 

[Koda]

Video is from 2022, so yeah, pretty new...

I found that vid but its a long vid and my attention span is too short.

Heres a short version, cued up to the safety features.

 

[Koda]

Go into a police supply store. In the ones I have been in over the past year, for every holster for a Sig, there are about 10 for Glocks. Are some guns going in holsters that are suboptimal?

yes, lots.
A class I took several years ago taught about proper holster features, one of the things Ive learned is how many improper holster designs there are and from reputable holster companies, and that PDs arent necesarily the best at gear selections just like all the threads here about proper CCW holsters.

Im all for exposing an unsafe gun, but until we know what the holster was and its condition this video isnt evidence the gun randomly went off by itself. Thats the bottom line of this incident.

 

[L84Cabo]

The only thing the video shows is that a whole lot more information is needed before we can determine anything.

• Was the gun modified?
• Was the gun in proper working order?
• What holster was being used?
• Was there something attached to the front of the holster that could have facilitated the discharge?
• Was the holster modified at all and put together properly?
• Was the holster in good working order and not damaged?
• Was the gun properly seated in the holster to begin with because some of the video suggests it may not have been (this is very hard to tell though because the video isn't clear and/or it could just be camera angles that make things appear off
• What happened during the physical encounter? Was the holster hit or was the gun not seated properly which led to the discharge if/when it was hit?
• Etc., etc., etc.

I have no dog in this fight. I own one Sig (P226) and do not own a P320. I'm hardly a Sig Fan Boi.

 

[TTSX]

That's the bottom line

Because stone cold said so

 

[nwslopoke]

Spoken like a true believer.

I was actually an early owner of one of these. Before the recall. I liked it but just couldn't shoot it well so I sold it.

 

[pdx210]

No one could see how the P320 could drop fire with all its safety features, either.

But I did. It's a stupid design with off balance bellcranks. The designers were morons. I don't know what's going on now, but at some point the fact that a retention holster design has to be so finely tuned to not set off a duty weapon is going to lead to an answer.

Or tap the back of the side with a hammer

There are just too many of these to many of these homes caught on video casually dismiss

You haven't looked very hard.
Glock unintentional discharges are widely documented.
I've never looked for M&P UD's but I know that LA County had a rash of M&P UD's in the 2014/15 timeframe.
It was a transition period for LA County, just like with this Montville dept.

The glock discharges I'm familiar with are related to worn holsters like below or holstering - unholstering.

I own two 320, why buy one when you can have two? They are excellent shooting guns so are the Glocks I own but I won't be carrying one anytime soon and the bigger lesson for me carry a gun with actual external safety.

 

[eustace_stelio]

Edit: this video has already been posted in this thread but I wasn't up to that page before I posted.

 

[DirectDrive]

Ugh
"G43 Guy"
That hurts to watch

 

[eustace_stelio]

Im curious if anyone has ever done any research on how the P320 can go off on its own? Has this been replicated?

No. From the articles I've read neither the plaintiffs nor defendants, ie Sig, have been able to replicate the spontaneous firings.

Which is kinda of weird.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

No way! Sig is making Glocks now?

 

[eustace_stelio]

At least with Glocks, the cops have to shoot themselves in the junk or the leg. The gun doesn't do it for them.

Well the video I just posted that cop had he junk shot at by his glock lol.

 

[eustace_stelio]

No way! Sig is making Glocks now?

Just posted it to show that even glocks magically shoot peens.