Washington Just wow. Washington Is About To Ban EVERYTHING!

[Old Dog]

Many on the Left view the 2A "issue" as inherently Right Wing. Accordingly, as a Left-leaning outfit, it isn't something that the ACLU will get behind.

The hypocrisy is blatant and evident to all those excepting those on the left. An organization that reputedly stands for all civil rights, the Constitution of the United States, the Bill of Rights and all of the amendments to said Constitution, refuses to acknowledge the one amendment that supports and defends all others.

Yet another sign that the Apocalypse is upon us.

 

[Val1884]

Fact

 

[Hoopster]

Long gone are the days when the ACLU will defend anything but their leftist agenda, would they defend NAZI right to assemble and march (that litigation gave them a national audience) today? Zero Chance.

 

[Alexx1401]

This latest batch of new laws will be just like the last. For a year or so after we will see a stream of gun owners who just found out about them. Boy will they be mad. When asked how it is they had no idea these new laws were going in and did they vote they will get angry and have an excuse for why.

 

[Tinman357]

Because any attempt to make the real intent/effect of these illegal laws are supressed by the one-sided media.

Most citizens never hear about these laws until they've passed, and then only the lies and deciet.

If there really were a "free press", none of these laws would have gotten past the house in the first place.

Too many are told that voting doesn't work. Too many believe that if they speak out they will be on a "list"

Most just dont know about them. The truth is actively suppressed by the media and hidden by our "lawmakers", passed late at night. The public comment phase is completely ignored out of hand.

How many "pro/con" were posted on 1240? Those numbers say a lot. Totally ignored.

 

[PNWSwampFox]

The courts will find these to be unconstitutional. This is a flagrant attempt to drum up support for their reelection campaigns.

it will get struck down, but it could take a long time. The courts move at a snails pace

 

[quneur]

Prepared by Joe McKittrick, Staff Counsel for Senate Law & Justice Committee

• Semiautomatic Assault Rifle (SAR): any rifle which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing
cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which requires a
separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge. The definition specifically excludes antique
firearms, firearms that have been made permanently inoperable, or any firearm that is manually
operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action.

"A semiautomatic rifle that has an overall length of less
than 30 inches"

I've said 'semiautomatic' is a stupid term. Something is either automatic or manual. Someone is either pregnant or not. A better term would be 'auto-loading, single shot' which early gun manufacturers used to described their firearms.

Shoulder Stocks - EMF Company, Inc.

The term makes it ambiguous enough that items like above could fall under HB 1240. Double action revolver could be loosely interpreted as semiautomatic - one trigger pull, fire one round (remember: a revolver is an action type and not just a handgun.) Eliminate the beginning portion of Mr. McKitrick's definition and you eliminate another set of firearms.

 

[User 1234]

Double action revolvers (except a few historical oddities) do not use a portion of the fired cartridge to load the next cartridge, so they are not semiautomatic.

 

[ma96782]

Did anyone else notice?
From the PSA web site......

Until further legal notice, PSA will not accept Serialized orders to Washington State after Midnight (EST) Thursday April 13th, 2023. Further Details can be found Here.
This will not impact sales of non-serialized gun parts & kits.

Aloha, Mark

 

[shibbershabber]

this country is finished.

nah... we will still drag on for a long time...

dont forget while this is the new thing to us, many places in the country have been living under this for decades...

and if they are any example, these laws will pass and will not go anywhere in the courts. Remember, CA is currently fighting laws that were passed over 20 years ago.

Rest assured that when bubblegum gets banned here, its going to stay banned for a long time.

 

[jkor]

nah... we will still drag on for a long time...

dont forget while this is the new thing to us, many places in the country have been living under this for decades...

and if they are any example, these laws will pass and will not go anywhere in the courts. Remember, CA is currently fighting laws that were passed over 20 years ago.

Rest assured that when bubblegum gets banned here, its going to stay banned for a long time.

A few years anyway. The entire system is being brought down. The enemy is not in a foreign land.

 

[nwslopoke]

This latest batch of new laws will be just like the last. For a year or so after we will see a stream of gun owners who just found out about them. Boy will they be mad. When asked how it is they had no idea these new laws were going in and did they vote they will get angry and have an excuse for why.

It's because they watch the news instead of seeking out actual events. In the information age, many people ignore the tools and information available. They'd rather hear someone explaining a speech than listen to the speech themselves.

 

[quneur]

Double action revolvers (except a few historical oddities) do not use a portion of the fired cartridge to load the next cartridge, so they are not semiautomatic.

For the typical person on the street and who is not into gun culture, the term could be confusing. We (those of us immerse in it), on the other hand, automatically assume everyone else know the definition. Guess which category the typical lawmakers are in?

Ask anyone on this board to define 'semiautomatic' and the answer will predomantaly be 'single trigger pull per round' and naturally assume the automatic loading the cartridge part. So, they could leave the automatic loading part off the law and people will miss it because they will gloss over the definitions. I'm just saying we should be careful or we could get bit in the a$$.

BTW, HB 1240 only defines 'semiautomatic assault rifle'. It doesn't define 'semiautomatic' by itself. So, in the future, lawmakers could possibly use 'semiautomatic' against us in the future, ie. We keep saying, "What's the difference in operation from the MSR to the Browning Automatic Rifle or Remington 7400?" They can then say, "What the difference in operation of double action revolvers and banned assault rifles?'

 

[Diamondback]

Long gone are the days when the ACLU will defend anything but their leftist agenda, would they defend NAZI right to assemble and march (that litigation gave them a national audience) today? Zero Chance.

The ACLU was Commies from the founding, Roger Baldwin who was there openly said so.

 

[Alexx1401]

It's because they watch the news instead of seeking out actual events. In the information age, many people ignore the tools and information available. They'd rather hear someone explaining a speech than listen to the speech themselves.

The big problem we have here is we have had it too easy for too long. Many are just too comfortable to bother with trying to keep up. When one day they wake up and find out they let freedom slip away it will be a LONG hard bunch of work to try to get it back.

 

[User 1234]

For the typical person on the street and who is not into gun culture, the term could be confusing. We (those of us immerse in it), on the other hand, automatically assume everyone else know the definition. Guess which category the typical lawmakers are in?

Ask anyone on this board to define 'semiautomatic' and the answer will predomantaly be 'single trigger pull per round' and naturally assume the automatic loading the cartridge part. So, they could leave the automatic loading part off the law and people will miss it because they will gloss over the definitions. I'm just saying we should be careful or we could get bit in the a$$.

BTW, HB 1240 only defines 'semiautomatic assault rifle'. It doesn't define 'semiautomatic' by itself. So, in the future, lawmakers could possibly use 'semiautomatic' against us in the future, ie. We keep saying, "What's the difference in operation from the MSR to the Browning Automatic Rifle or Remington 7400?" They can then say, "What the difference in operation of double action revolvers and banned assault rifles?'

Not correct. HB1240 does in fact add a definition of "semiautomatic" separate from the existing 1639 definition of "semiautomatic assault rifle." It excludes 99% of revolvers.

 

[kurpak]

Did anyone else notice?
From the PSA web site......
Aloha, Mark

"This will not impact sales of non-serialized gun parts & kits."

Finally a correct interpretation of what the bill actually says. Every "youtube lawyer" video I've seen is saying parts are banned.

 

[quneur]

Not correct. HB1240 does in fact add a definition of "semiautomatic" separate from the existing 1639 definition of "semiautomatic assault rifle." It excludes 99% of revolvers.

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I apologize. I missed that one.

Someone should design a mechanism powered by a CO2 cartridge or battery powered motored or electro-mechanical (small guass-type) operated action. It then wouldn't be considered 'semiautomatic' in this context.

 

[front_sight]

Fact

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Who have also made it illegal to share that information.

 

[ItsMe]

Well, yeah. We've been discussing HB 1240 for the past several months, along with 1143 and 5708.

The tyrannical team of Jay and Stupid Bob pulled out all the stops and actually had these bills pre-written and provided to the legislature when the session opened. Many willing sponsors were ready; hearings were held in Olympia where our side was well-represented and provided about four times as much testimony and objections to the bills as the well-funded anti-side. Of course, the gun-control advocates prevailed (just like our mysterious past several election cycles in this state). When the votes were tallied in the committees and both houses, of course the bills passed almost strictly down party lines.

The masthead of the Washington Post reads, "Democracy Dies in Darkness."

The motto of the liberty-loving citizens of our state should be, "Democracy Dies in Washington State."

It's time to bring the native Americans on board the United States government and its communist delegates have once again, tried to disarm the indigenous as we're now called people of this country not to mention they're trying to stop us from having forges just like Great Britain did which was one of the reasons that we started forging our own firearms and shovels yes, shovels in the United States. This is 100% tyrannical and everybody should be considering it as treason and espionage oh, yeah, the words I'm using are red flags to tyrannical government and let me not forget to mention the attacks on the native Americans in this country we've been disarmed and slaughtered before on the behalf of the better interest of the people the fact is is the best interest of the people is not being looked at and the are trying to overthrow WE THE PEOPLE.