National John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second Amendment

[Ura-Ki]

ROTS A RUCK! those idiots who believe there is even a chance to repeal the nd have no clue just how wrong they are. etrain16 points out the difference between moderate liberals and full blown hard left antis. The biggy is this; even folks that want common sence fun control only really want to do away with those evil assault weapons and high cap mags, with out going after our hunting arms, or our self defence pistols. Where the hard left want them all taken by any means available! Problem with that is, even the moderate recognise the 2nd for what is is, and it would never get removed! It COULD see some changes made to it however, but that would take the same level of commitment to outright removal, not likely to happen! Then we have the silent masses, those who have not been vocal or have remained quiet on things so far, and we have millions of vets, former and current LEO, and a lot of others that always get over looked, that will likely turn the tide against a full repeal or change!
The real fight is going to be the Several States, where our politicos will exact revenge against law abiding owners, and ruleing with an iron fist against non compliance! It' great the NRA has finally gotten up off it't golden perch to kinda sorta do a little something, I guess it's better then nothing, but they drug ther saddles the last several times Oregon and Washington were in jeopardy, and they out right failed Kali, so what sort of "Help" can we expect from them now?
No, it's all up to us, We the People to put this down! The NRA only fights in states where they can win, and they have allready given up on the Wet Coast, so its likely not going to be any thing more then token, a showing, a little face time, and bam, gone to the next fight, rince and repete!

BTW, Nice post @Stomper, your a rock star!
Caffeine good! must have been Black Rifle Coffee Co., Snipers Blend

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

So the very old senile Judge states that the 2nd Amendment has run it's course, but never explains "WHY"...!!!

Simple logic say's the Democratic/Liberal/Progressives have run thier course and come out as full blown Communist...

Excellent post Stomper...

funny you mention that .....Im beginning to think the russian intervention was more than fake news, looks to me like the communist russians have infiltrated the socialist party that infiltrated the democrat party and this is the product ....bernie sanders and his brilliant party of lemmings

The sad part is that we're double damned if we do and damned if we don't, as the Republicans aren't really on our side either..................

On the Federal level..........
Republican bill on bump stocks to be introduced Thursday in House - CNNPolitics
Republican National Committee open to raising age to purchase a gun
National - The Sound of 5 million heads exploding - Trump: "Take the Guns First, Go Through Due Process Second"

In Oregon..........
(R) Buehler, (R) Vial and (R) Parrish all vote for HB 4145
Oregon: Gov. Brown signs law stripping gun rights in more domestic situations

(R) Boquist files, champions and helps pass gun confiscation legislation: SB 719
Oregon Passes GOP Senator's Bill Allowing Gun Seizure Order Without Gun Owner's Knowledge

Maybe people should ask @bolus how much of a help the republicans were is supporting a recall of democrats that voted for SB 941.............
Riley/McLain recall


Here in Washington........
We have republicans that pretend they support the Second Amendment:
Washington Legislature passes bump-stock ban


So, my conclusion is that we can't trust any politician, ever, as eventually most will betray us. As @rltrim46ford said "Both the republicans and the democlaps are but cheeks of the same arse". There are good and bad on both sides, but I will concede that at this particular moment in time, there are only a minuscule amount of democrats that truly support the Second Amendment and that most republicans do to some degree (at least in words).



Ray

ya blame the rinos.........its getting to the point when the dem corrupt FBI knows about the terrorists and mass murderers prior to their mass killings and nothing gets done just like chicago "the safest city in the usa according to that retard mayor"...yes even republicans are wanting to see the endless needless deaths that the dems are responsible for.
republicans are not heartless people and the republican representatives are being pressured more than you over this gun control scam .....and you just scream NO infringement and keep voting democrat and expect the dems to go away? they dance in the blood of dead children, hell they are using your school tax dollars to take your indoctrinated children out to march against YOU....and you point your fingers at the rinos?

yes you cant trust the politicians, and its not just 2nd the dems are out to ruin and needing protection from the democrat agenda and its ONLY YOU that can stop this snowflake avalanche
they have corrupted our entire govt , they rig elections, gave away our countries sovereignty, actually if you arent aware of ALL the attacks on America by the leftist you are the problem, maybe try turning the channel on your boob tube and stop reading facebook

by the very nature you want to point fingers at the republicans too, is exactly why you will loose the second amendment, the republicans too want to see changes because everyone else is getting fed up of the unnecessary gun deaths and you cant just keep voting democrat because nothing will change....stop the demorats and the end of gun free zones , sanctuary cities, drugs pouring over our southern border that the dems refuse to help close allowing the mass poisoning our people.

....if you helped the republicans stomp out that corrupt party you would not have the same issues and YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO POINT AT REPUBLICANS OVER GUN CONTROL republicans are forced to respond to dead children!!!! because your not HELPING

if you dont stop voting demorat you will never stop the "gun free zones" that's become a damned democratic tool against us, just like the sanctuary cities and the city of chicago/chiraq with more gun problems than afganistan and thats been allowed to drive up the gun death numbers with blacks killing each other on a wholesale level and call it a gun problem...hood rats will use knives if you banished guns

everyone jumping on Trump over "bumpstocks" are just haters just running their mouths ....the man is throwing a useless bone to the onslaught of constant attacks of the 2nd just like the NRA did with the NICS check system many years ago why arent you guys crapping on the NRA for the NICS,
He must respond in some way, when the entire country is mourning the children and organizing the country against the 2nd. the tactic is throw them a bone and be eaten later is his only stance without your help so stop voting for the thieving democrats wanting to sell out our country because its already begun!

until the fools in the country stop voting democrat and perpetuating this agenda to disarm us IT WILL NEVER STOP TILL THEY GET THE GUNS FROM LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.....you cant just keep screaming its our constitutional rights its done nothing for us to this point
so....THEY WILL CHANGE YOUR RIGHTS.....they have changed your children its called indoctrination!

wake up america stop the crooked, corrupt, election rigging rats. save your country at the very least even if you dont care to save your guns

 

[4Freedom]

So we should put our faith in the Republican party just like we did when Ronald Regan, George HW BUsh and George W BUsh were in office and openly supported Assault Weapon Bans? George Bush Sr and Ronald Regan, themselves, help facilitate the ban of what they referred to as "Assault Weapons". Ronald Regan supported Bill Clinton's Assault Weapon Ban and wrote letters advocating to ban most magazine fed rifles. Him, George Bush Sr and Bill Clinton worked together on this issue. George Bush Sr banned the import of all foreign "military-style" rifles. These are your Republican defenders of the 2nd Amendment? George W Bush also said he supports a ban on Assault Weapons. That is 3 Republican presidents in a row and even 4 if you count Ford who was also vehemently anti-gun.

And, Trump infringed upon our constitutional rights and referred to the Bump Stocks as turning rifles into illegal machine guns. He basically used the same language that all the other anti-gun politicians would use. If he was throwing them a bone, he would not have used this type of language. As well, the legislation he is passing has the potential wreck havoc upon us down the line.

I do believe as a whole that the Democrat party has declared war on the 2nd Amendment, no doubt. But, so many in the Republican party also have quietly declared war on the 2nd Amendment and will try to lie and manipulate their voters to believe they actually support gun rights and won't cave into gun control agenda when it suits them to do so, as we saw with the traitor Governor Rick Scott of FLorida who passed some of the strictest gun control measures in Florida history.


And, now as far as this Supreme Court Justice advocating to repeal the 2nd Amendment, I would say that is why we have the 2nd Amendment, because fascists in our government will try to repeal it and the rest of the Constitution if they can get the means. Obviously, a repeal of the 2nd Amendment would be nothing short of a declaration of war and I, myself, would not accept a nice, quiet life in the new America without the right to keep and bear arms. This guy definitely should have been a judge in the Reichsgericht of Nazi Germany than in the US Supreme Court. The fact we have modern day Nazis serving in our highest courts is very disconcerting and can be a sign of darkness in our future if these zealots try to use their power according to what our Founding Fathers and Constitution warns us about.

I do believe that this country one day will erupt into revolution. What countries don't? America is still a young country. England, France, China, India have had several internal conflicts, rebellions and wars. These countries have existed much longer than the USA. What we have that other countries don't have is a very solid foundation, a Constitution and Bill of Rights.

The Democrats have openly declared war on America and our Constitution. However, many of the Republicans are just as much collaborators and could even be more dangerous, since these are the guys we were suppose to trust, but have shown more often than not, they have very little problem betraying that trust once they get a nice solid grip on power.

Oh yes, one of the most terrify statements I have yet to hear from any politician in our country came from the mouth of Donald Trump. It went something like this: "First Take Their Guns, Worry About Due Process Later". I don't care what political party you are part of, but what was said there is nothing less than from the words of Nazi party itself. There is nothing more terrifying than leaders who will make a mockery of Due Process.

 

[Boboclown]

George Bush Sr banned the import of all foreign "military-style" rifles.

Oh much worse. Not only no import, but rifles can't have more than 10 foreign parts (though impossible to enforce). The ATF also said barrels couldn't be imported with parts kit under Jr's presidency and that pretty much killed the FAL parts kit market.

 

[Ura-Ki]

^^^^^^^Your pretty close here^^^^^
Complicity across the board, Period!
What does it say when every one has every thing they need , especially after passage of the Patriot act, and yet they " Fail" to act ( more like refuse) to justify their agenda! What does that say to every one who is paying attention! Could it be th is is all planned, and the eventual outcome were seeing really ramp up IS the end game? And if so, whay comes after? This is far more then just democrats and republicans, liberals and conservatives, left and right and center, this is the whole shootin match of complicity, and it's out in the open now, fully visable to any who choose to take off the rose colored glasses! Times are sure going to get Sporty! I hope we survive the comming storms!

 

[4Freedom]

Mr. Trump should understand that our 2nd Amendment is not for sale and you don't give a DAMN INCH!!!!! Screw this whole trying to find a common ground with Democrats! I mean look at what these fascists are wanting? This FAKE Supreme Court Justice imposter has made it very clear what he and other liberals want, the repeal of the 2nd Amendment. Even the news outlets now are saying how most Americans want to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Oh yeah, thank you media propaganda machine!

Trump has acted like a coward and a traitor and anyone who thinks differently, well sorry for you that you just don't want to see. You don't collaborate with terrorists! Those who want to strip away our gun rights and dissolve our Bill of Rights are terrorists in my book, just like any other tyrant/terrorist. If you give them an inch, they take a yard! And, if you give them a yard they take a mile! There is no common ground. You pass one gun control legislation, you will have to pass them all. That is right! If the Republicans think that negotiating away our 2nd Amendment with the Democrats is acceptable, they are grossly misinformed. These fascists won't stop until the 2nd Amendment is repealed, forget Assault Weapon Bans. Assault Weapon Bans are just the beginning. And, after this school shooting many of these RINO Republicans have shown their true colors and now are passing gun control in their states and supporting Federal measures that strip and infringe our rights.

 

[Ura-Ki]

Even worse, the repubs think rhey van stem the flow of anti stuff by giving in on minor points, all the while their just continuing to give and five and five with out ever demanding any thing in return, or simply stopping and saying no more. Or demanding enforcent of existing laws instead of making more draconian laws the do not one damn thing to stop things, because that's not what any of this will do! I wouldn' doubt for one second that our Gov has sponsored, and even enabled these criminals to do these horrible things ( F.B.I, Killory, Obummer, et all) to further th is agenda!

 

[Diamondback]

We need a new slogan, something catch and memorable... how 'bout NOMFI?

Not
One
More
F***ing
Inch!

 

[Stomper]

To clarify: I didn't write the following, and I neglected to insert it into quotes this morning as I was multi-tasking and also in a rush... as usual on a work day. This is a copy and paste that I saved from an article about 3-yrs ago. Sorry, I don't recall who wrote it, or what website I got from. Apologies for the oversight!

 

[Herb g]

It's refreshing for a Democrat to finally tell the truth.

 

[Herb g]

Now the Vegas odds just tripled of a new civil war.

 

[Caveman Jim]

I knew it sounded familiar... It sure is direct and to the point and anyone with a LOVE of guns, the BOR & the Constitution better saddle up and DO SOMETHING!!!

 

[Gator Monroe]

If he were saying that Drugs should be legalized or that Gay Marriage was the law of the Land many posters here would be callin him "The Man" ...

 

[Slobray]

funny you mention that .....Im beginning to think the russian intervention was more than fake news, looks to me like the communist russians have infiltrated the socialist party that infiltrated the democrat party and this is the product ....bernie sanders and his brilliant party of lemmings

ya blame the rinos.........its getting to the point when the dem corrupt FBI knows about the terrorists and mass murderers prior to their mass killings and nothing gets done just like chicago "the safest city in the usa according to that retard mayor"...yes even republicans are wanting to see the endless needless deaths that the dems are responsible for.
republicans are not heartless people and the republican representatives are being pressured more than you over this gun control scam .....and you just scream NO infringement and keep voting democrat and expect the dems to go away? they dance in the blood of dead children, hell they are using your school tax dollars to take your indoctrinated children out to march against YOU....and you point your fingers at the rinos?

yes you cant trust the politicians, and its not just 2nd the dems are out to ruin and needing protection from the democrat agenda and its ONLY YOU that can stop this snowflake avalanche
they have corrupted our entire govt , they rig elections, gave away our countries sovereignty, actually if you arent aware of ALL the attacks on America by the leftist you are the problem, maybe try turning the channel on your boob tube and stop reading facebook

by the very nature you want to point fingers at the republicans too, is exactly why you will loose the second amendment, the republicans too want to see changes because everyone else is getting fed up of the unnecessary gun deaths and you cant just keep voting democrat because nothing will change....stop the demorats and the end of gun free zones , sanctuary cities, drugs pouring over our southern border that the dems refuse to help close allowing the mass poisoning our people.

....if you helped the republicans stomp out that corrupt party you would not have the same issues and YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO POINT AT REPUBLICANS OVER GUN CONTROL republicans are forced to respond to dead children!!!! because your not HELPING

if you dont stop voting demorat you will never stop the "gun free zones" that's become a damned democratic tool against us, just like the sanctuary cities and the city of chicago/chiraq with more gun problems than afganistan and thats been allowed to drive up the gun death numbers with blacks killing each other on a wholesale level and call it a gun problem...hood rats will use knives if you banished guns

everyone jumping on Trump over "bumpstocks" are just haters just running their mouths ....the man is throwing a useless bone to the onslaught of constant attacks of the 2nd just like the NRA did with the NICS check system many years ago why arent you guys crapping on the NRA for the NICS,
He must respond in some way, when the entire country is mourning the children and organizing the country against the 2nd. the tactic is throw them a bone and be eaten later is his only stance without your help so stop voting for the thieving democrats wanting to sell out our country because its already begun!

until the fools in the country stop voting democrat and perpetuating this agenda to disarm us IT WILL NEVER STOP TILL THEY GET THE GUNS FROM LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.....you cant just keep screaming its our constitutional rights its done nothing for us to this point
so....THEY WILL CHANGE YOUR RIGHTS.....they have changed your children its called indoctrination!

wake up america stop the crooked, corrupt, election rigging rats. save your country at the very least even if you dont care to save your guns

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with most of what you're saying...................... My point was that we shouldn't put blind faith into someone just because the have an (R) before or after their name, as there are more than a few that have paid us lip service, then stabbed us in the back. I hold every politician accountable for their unconstitutional behavior and not give those that screwed us over a pass because of their party affiliation.

Just so you know, I don't know if I've ever voted for a democrat, but I might have back in the mid 1980's, as I was young and my family was hard core old school Southern Style democrats, but I don't know for sure either way. That option pretty much went away forever once they decided to back slick willy and run with their current agenda.


Ray

 

[4Freedom]

I was reading through the New York Times articles where almost half the posters (probably hired by Democrat party) were supporting this former In-Justice (not Justice).

SOme of the comments were downright humorous and others terrifying. One commenter on the New York Times article said that repealing the 2nd Amendment would invoke a Civil War. Then, the hordes of liberal commenters came to rebuke him. One guy from New York City said he believed only 2% of Americans stockpile guns. He said it would be very simple to call out the military and police, who are much more heavily armed and take out those people. In his opinion, very few Americans own guns and it would be easy for the military to kill all the people who refuse to give them up. Well, he is right, that in his little fascist bubble of New York City probably only 2% of the population are stockpiling weapons. However, on my street, I would say almost everyone has a sizable gun collection and then there are those who do the stockpiling. I live in a neighborhood that has a large number of military families, both active duty and retired. I wonder if my neighbors who are in the Army would be alright with coming to my house, demanding my guns and shooting my brains out after I refuse to give them up. Something tells me that a good number of our military are on our side and would refuse to support a government that orders the execution of Americans refusing to give up their 2nd Amendment rights.

This is the scary fantasy world the liberals live in. They want to disarm us, but they fail to realize that a large group of heavily armed people can only be disarmed by another large group of heavily armed people. That means these liberals will have to arm themselves and help those in the military and police who actually want to proceed with this far-reaching agenda of disarming the American people. Yes, isn't that the irony? Something tells me they won't have the heart for the fight for their dream of an unarmed utopia. They think our military will magically come to their side and disarm all those gun-toting yahoos, not realizing that many of them are former (and active) military , themselves.


If you want to see what a Fascist America looks like up close, just take a look at this article and the braindead fascists who support it in the comments:
Opinion | John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second Amendment

 

[4Freedom]

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with most of what you're saying...................... My point was that we shouldn't put blind faith into someone just because the have an (R) before or after their name, as there are more than a few that have paid us lip service, then stabbed us in the back. I hold every politician accountable for their unconstitutional behavior and not give those that screwed us over a pass because of their party affiliation.

Just so you know, I don't know if I've ever voted for a democrat, but I might have back in the mid 1980's, as I was young and my family was hard core old school Southern Style democrats, but I don't know for sure either way. That option pretty much went away forever once they decided to back slick willy and run with their current agenda.


Ray

Slobray, I don't see how you are disagreeing with anything I wrote? I think we see eye to eye.. I have left the Republican party myself and now consider myself a card carrying Libertarian. I will be registering as a Libertarian in future elections and voting that way unless the Republicans can produce a non-RINO candidate, which is appearing to be more and more rare. If, by some weird miracle, the Democrats produce a pro-gun candidate (like Conor Lamb) and he is running against an anti-gun Republican (like Peter King, Rudolph Giuliani, Rick Scott, etc), would either of us really think twice of who to vote for? But, what are the chances of a pro-gun Democrat ever seeing anything more than a seat in the House or Senate, at most. Not likely to be a presidential candidate. The Democrat party of today is more or less a hybrid of National Socialist and Communist parties of 20th century Europe.

The Democrat party portrays itself as free-loving, open-minded accepting progressives. On the other hand, the Republican party portrays itself as the right-wing, Hawkish, pro-military, freedom loving party. I feel both parties are putting on a nice facade to hide their real intentions of increasing the power and authority of the government and chiseling away little by little at our freedoms and liberties. The Democrats are more open about their intentions, but that doesn't mean there isn't a huge chunk of Republicans who don't have similar intentions; but, perhaps, are better at hiding them.

And, for those who still in their minds cannot fathom Republicans who are just as eager to destroy their rights as Democrats, just look what this New York GOP politician, Peter King, had to say:
N.Y. GOPer says 'religious fervor' blocks common-sense gun fix

 

[Slobray]

Slobray, I don't see how you are disagreeing with anything I wrote? I think we see eye to eye.. I have left the Republican party myself and now consider myself a card carrying Libertarian. I will be registering as a Libertarian in future elections and voting that way unless the Republicans can produce a non-RINO candidate, which is appearing to be more and more rare. If, by some weird miracle, the Democrats produce a pro-gun candidate (like Conor Lamb) and he is running against an anti-gun Republican (like Peter King, Rudolph Giuliani, Rick Scott, etc), would either of us really think twice of who to vote for? But, what are the chances of a pro-gun Democrat ever seeing anything more than a seat in the House or Senate, at most. Not likely to be a presidential candidate. The Democrat party of today is more or less a hybrid of National Socialist and Communist parties of 20th century Europe.

The Democrat party portrays itself as free-loving, open-minded accepting progressives. On the other hand, the Republican party portrays itself as the right-wing, Hawkish, pro-military, freedom loving party. I feel both parties are putting on a nice facade to hide their real intentions of increasing the power and authority of the government and chiseling away little by little at our freedoms and liberties. The Democrats are more open about their intentions, but that doesn't mean there isn't a huge chunk of Republicans who don't have similar intentions; but, perhaps, are better at hiding them.

And, for those who still in their minds cannot fathom Republicans who are just as eager to destroy their rights as Democrats, just look what this New York GOP politician, Peter King, had to say:
N.Y. GOPer says 'religious fervor' blocks common-sense gun fix

Sorry for the confusion, but I wasn't replying to you. I was replying to @WasrNwarpaint who accused me of blaming republicans for the mess were in and for voting democrat over and over again.



Ray

 

[aljames]

"2nd amendment is outdated"
"framers never imagined the weapons of today"
"they were talking about muskets, not "assault rifles"
"we need to repeal the 2nd amendment to save lives"

Blah, blah, barf. We always hear these same lame talking points regurgitated after a rare yet horrendous shooting. If this gets any traction this would be a perfect time to hit them square in the face with a little of their own medicine.....lets repeal the 14th amendment. Its obvious that it is outdated and is being miss used. Bye-Bye anchor babies and the illegal aliens that spawned you. Enjoy your S-hole country. Sorry about deporting your base Demtards! Good luck winning another local, state or federal election.....ever.

We'll even copy and paste their talking points [with a few revisions]

"14th amendment is outdated"
"framers never imagined the illegal immigration of today"
"they were talking about slaves, not illegal immigrants"
"we need to repeal the 14th amendment to save money and our culture"

 

[Pops1911]

I read a quote somewhere by someone I cannot remember. The trials of being an overly well read old guy. The quote went something like this. "Citizens deserve the government they vote for". Like so many here I have believed in the political choices I have made. Unfortunately they have turned out to be wrong and I apparently have gotten the shallow political representation I voted for. Now that's humbling to consider. Hopefully all of us can think long and hard in November and vote seriously with intention for candidates who will actually represent the ones who voted for them. Not voting is not an option IMHO although I understand the frustrations of those who do choose to remain vote-less. No advice just the continued musings of an old dawg who thinks our Country certainly deserves better than we have gotten.

 

[Republican]

We should have a constitutional convention and see if the left's precious citizenship by birth thing survives. I bet it won't. And if the second amendment doesn't , at least we wil know exactly which politicians went on record to ratify it.