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[Diamondback]

As to the anti-freedom crew that would propose such an affront to liberty, they cordially invited to consume fecal matter.

I'd rather invite them to take a swim in it wearing a concrete wetsuit...

 

[Ralgha]

I suppose it may boil down to a matter of perception.

If you are willing to believe that the anti-gun movement is based upon that single issue in itself, and that it's members have been willingly mislead due to a simple lack of critical thought, then the sentiment you express makes a lot of sense.

However, if you have closely observed the movement for decades, you may see this is as not a stand alone effort. Indeed, it may seem quite obvious that this is but one tentacle of a much larger political cause. The underlying agenda being that of globalist control and destruction of traditional American values and Constitutional rights.

I for one, do not see myself standing hand in hand in line, with anyone supporting those goals.

It's possible that is true for the leadership of the anti gun "movement," or whatever you want to call it; however, the vast majority of regular people who support gun control do it out of ignorance and emotion, which an hour of honest research could actually affect. The problem is getting past their emotion to make that happen.

 

[etrain16]

This, in my humble opinion, is a very important aspect of this case, that will have repercussions in the future.

As to the anti-freedom crew that would propose such an affront to liberty, they cordially invited to consume fecal matter.

And they are also invited to kiss the hole from whence it comes...

 

[nwslopoke]

I once heard and believe, in any group, once you have three people someone is going to tell. In this current age of social media, a lot if people tell on themselves.

In this PC society you can be publicly guilty of no crime and with no victim. You can be guilty of an unpopular idea. Yes in America.

 

[WoodsPlinker]

I suppose it may boil down to a matter of perception.

If you are willing to believe that the anti-gun movement is based upon that single issue in itself, and that it's members have been willingly mislead due to a simple lack of critical thought, then the sentiment you express makes a lot of sense.

However, if you have closely observed the movement for decades, you may see this is as not a stand alone effort. Indeed, it may seem quite obvious that this is but one tentacle of a much larger political cause. The underlying agenda being that of globalist control and destruction of traditional American values and Constitutional rights.

I for one, do not see myself standing hand in hand in line, with anyone supporting those goals.

Oh absolutely I agree with you, I do stand hand in hand with the libertarian that individual has become.

People can learn, I know a conservative that used to be a liberal and a libertarian that used to be a liberal. The plus side is the left tells a lot of lies and people tend to not like being lied to.

 

[Ralgha]

The right tells just as many lies. Conservative elite don't want you to have guns any more than liberals do. Pro gun people eat up their lies because it's what they want to hear.

 

[Cheby]

The right tells just as many lies. Conservative elite don't want you to have guns any more than liberals do. Pro gun people eat up their lies because it's what they want to hear.

This is demagoguery. While there are a lot of anti-gunners among Republicans, it's not the party's goal. The gun control, on the other hand, is an agenda of the Democratic Party. This is undeniable.

 

[Ralgha]

I never said it was a goal of the Republican party, I simply used it as an example of lies that some of them tell.

 

[Cheby]

I never said it was a goal of the Republican party, I simply used it as an example of lies that some of them tell.

A lot of douches in politics, that's for sure...

 

[nwslopoke]

The right tells just as many lies. Conservative elite don't want you to have guns any more than liberals do. Pro gun people eat up their lies because it's what they want to hear.

While I'll agree to a point. Both parties only believe in their party. It has turned into a giant game of Tag for them. We are as important to our party as we are to Facebook. We are their necessary evil. We give them money and power. Why do we do that? Well, to stop the other side of course.

Both sides have their elites. Firearms may be the ultimate equalizer but I believe the elites prefer each others company over party affiliation. I will give credit to democrat elites, though. They will spread that money around. Republican multi millionaires, not so much.

 

[Ralgha]

While I'll agree to a point. Both parties only believe in their party. It has turned into a giant game of Tag for them. We are as important to our party as we are to Facebook. We are their necessary evil. We give them money and power. Why do we do that? Well, to stop the other side of course.

Both sides have their elites. Firearms may be the ultimate equalizer but I believe the elites prefer each others company over party affiliation. I will give credit to democrat elites, though. They will spread that money around. Republican multi millionaires, not so much.

I'll take it even farther than that, there are no sides behind the scenes. The elites greatest fear is that us little people will stop bickering among one another and actually get our bubblegum together. We lost our country to the corporations and the richest of the rich years ago, only by keeping us at each other's throats do they maintain their power. They've divided the country into Democrats and Republicans, and they keep each side too scared of the other to accomplish any real change (which would start with voting every last incumbent out of office).

Guns are a side show, albeit one with very real consequences. It's perfect for them, inciting a lot of emotion and division, and most people have little knowledge or experience with them, making it easy to manipulate them. In that respect, it's not too different from other major side shows such as abortion and gay rights.

We're pretty locked into the game right now. It would be a long hard slog to rip the power away from them, but I know one thing, clinging either the Democrat or Republican party is not the way to do it.

 

[maddog]

I once heard and believe, in any group, once you have three people someone is going to tell. In this current age of social media, a lot if people tell on themselves.

In this PC society you can be publicly guilty of no crime and with no victim. You can be guilty of an unpopular idea. Yes in America.

I agree.

And they are also invited to kiss the hole from whence it comes...

Wish I'da said that!

 

[E4mafia]

I'll take it even farther than that, there are no sides behind the scenes. The elites greatest fear is that us little people will stop bickering among one another and actually get our bubblegum together. We lost our country to the corporations and the richest of the rich years ago, only by keeping us at each other's throats do they maintain their power. They've divided the country into Democrats and Republicans, and they keep each side too scared of the other to accomplish any real change (which would start with voting every last incumbent out of office).

Guns are a side show, albeit one with very real consequences. It's perfect for them, inciting a lot of emotion and division, and most people have little knowledge or experience with them, making it easy to manipulate them. In that respect, it's not too different from other major side shows such as abortion and gay rights.

We're pretty locked into the game right now. It would be a long hard slog to rip the power away from them, but I know one thing, clinging either the Democrat or Republican party is not the way to do it.

The only thing I can think of is getting out to the caucuses and getting the right people ushered into the right parties that you align with best and then pushing for them. Dem or Rep are the only two options currently with the majority. It would be interesting to see a Green or Libertarian like poised in the 2016 election as a chance but entering a 3rd or 4th party would basically put us on par with the likes of the EU's multiple party entry.

The other alternative is if everyone, hypothetically, stopped voting from here on out our only option is to rely upon the House/Senate to decide for us who our POTUS would be from either D/R party.

Electoral College Ties

Getting out of the system is like you said "a long hard slog"

 

[nammac]

The elites greatest fear is that us little people will stop bickering among one another and actually get our bubblegum together.

^^^This is the real truth. We need to see ourselves as one people, one nation and be united. Once we do that, once we stop splintering and stop siloing ourselves based on some perceived value or perceived wrong, then we hold the power. But as long as our communication capabilities are limited to 144 characters and our attention span is as long as a gnats fart, we will continue to be divided and manipulated.

And the sad truth is, it's our fault for allowing it to happen...

 

[maddog]

I'll take it even farther than that, there are no sides behind the scenes. The elites greatest fear is that us little people will stop bickering among one another and actually get our bubblegum together. We lost our country to the corporations and the richest of the rich years ago, only by keeping us at each other's throats do they maintain their power. They've divided the country into Democrats and Republicans, and they keep each side too scared of the other to accomplish any real change (which would start with voting every last incumbent out of office).

Guns are a side show, albeit one with very real consequences. It's perfect for them, inciting a lot of emotion and division, and most people have little knowledge or experience with them, making it easy to manipulate them. In that respect, it's not too different from other major side shows such as abortion and gay rights.

We're pretty locked into the game right now. It would be a long hard slog to rip the power away from them, but I know one thing, clinging either the Democrat or Republican party is not the way to do it.

I keep using the name "Deplorables" because it was assigned to us by one such person you have described. And I gather hope, strength, and incentive from the fact that she was defeated by those "deplorables." And your last sentence says it all, in my opinion. D. J. (we're on a nick name basis now. He sends me emails every month thanking me and asking for more money) Is certainly not a Republican, though that's the ticket he rode, any more than he is a Democrat. So I can't help but believe this same change can be accomplished here in Oregon, too. We absolutely must get people motivated enough to believe that their voice does matter in the big sense. Enough that gets them to color in some circles on a piece of paper, put it in an envelope, slap a stamp on it and mail it out! So whether an individual tags themself with Republican, Democrat, or Libertarian doesn't matter to me as long as they staunchly support all the rights granted in our Constitution, keeps us a strong and powerful (Who was it that said the best way to dipolmacy is to carry a big stick) nation, and viable in world economics. I have to believe it's attainable. I dunno. Glass is half full.

 

[maddog]

 

[Defense Minister]

However, if you have closely observed the movement for decades, you may see this is as not a stand alone effort. Indeed, it may seem quite obvious that this is but one tentacle of a much larger political cause. The underlying agenda being that of globalist control and destruction of traditional American values and Constitutional rights.

BINGO! Give that man a prize!

This is about ending traditional, conservative, and often Christian values worldwide. If you study the Bible and history, it becomes very clear. The spirit of evil (Satan) has deceived these people into doing his dirty work by disguising it as a safety measure and making them believe that they are doing the right thing, and that good people are the enemy. He's been using Palestine to try and destroy the Jews for centuries with a big push from Nazi Germany in the 40s. This central theme of mankind is much more than decades old; it goes back to Cain and Abel.

I believe God addresses churches like the ones pushing this agenda in Revelation Chapter 2. If you haven't read it you should; it will be eye-opening!

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

The right tells just as many lies. Conservative elite don't want you to have guns any more than liberals do. Pro gun people eat up their lies because it's what they want to hear.

bullstien leftie....the only consistent message is the demorats have is they want our guns and hate Trump

edit: a few weak republicans only cave due to the threatening irrational behavior of the alt left gun grabbers and Trump haters they are not screaming for gun control
republicans are not starting petitions and "cheating" to ram them thru like the demorats haters do, especially here in Oregon the 11th most politically corrupt state in the union and guess who is running the state....the corrupt anti constitutional democrat haters

 

[WoodsPlinker]

The right tells just as many lies. Conservative elite don't want you to have guns any more than liberals do. Pro gun people eat up their lies because it's what they want to hear.

I'm not sure a lot of people know what conservative is anymore. And my saying a blanket statement like that is based on the sphere of conservatives I listen to.

Having said that I am also a big L libertarian which apparently makes me an extreme right looney now adays. Conservatives want to use the big gun of government to push their morals too, I get that... Not sure where you get the gun rights hating from though. There may be more fuds in the conservative camp but not anti gun. Unless you are talking about republicans, in which case sure... There are a lot of republicans that are not conservative and want to throw us under the bus. I'd say proportionally libertarians are ok with two gay married people protecting their marijuana farm with fully automatic rifles.

 

[EPS]

What I'M NOT ON THERE COME ON MAN I'M SO UPSET .
I'M GOING TO MY CRY CLOSET .
my safe space .I don't want you to see me cry