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Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by simon99, Jan 24, 2014.

  1. simon99

    simon99 Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Newspaper chain plans 'state-by-state' concealed weapon databases


    By Joshua Rhett Miller/
    Published January 24, 2014/
    FoxNews.com



    Who has permits to carry concealed weapons is public record, but critics say publishing databases serves no journalistic purpose and can put people at risk. (AP)




    A national newspaper chain with nearly 100 publications and 1.6 million readers is considering building “state-by-state databases” on concealed weapons permit holders, according to an internal e-mail.

    The plan, laid out in an email from a top editor at North Carolina-based Civitas Media, could be similar to a controversial project a New York state newspaper carried out in 2012 which included an online map that identified gun owners in two counties by name and address. Civitas' database project was detailed in a Jan. 19 e-mail to newsrooms across the chain, which has papers in 11 states, including Ohio, Illinois and Pennsylvania.

    The newest project "examines the explosion of ‘conceal and carry’ gun permits across the U.S.,” wrote Jim Lawitz, Civitas’ director of content, in an e-mail first obtained by the Buckeye Firearms Association. “Through public records act requests, we will attempt to build state-by-state databases that list those who have the right to carry a concealed weapon.”


    "They’re saying they’re not going to publish the list, but once the list is compiled, what are they going to do with it?"

    - Chad Baus, Buckeye Firearms Association

    Lawitz downplayed the email when reached early Friday by FoxNews.com.

    “In news organizations, a variety of ideas routinely are discussed, researched and planned, which may or may not result in published work,” Lawitz said. “Typically we do not publicly comment on internal proprietary communication. However, we have no plans to publish any lists or databases of people’s names on conceal and carry.”

    Lawitz declined further comment.

    Civitas Media, according to its website, employs more than 1,400 people and publishes 35 daily and 63 weekly publications for a combined circulation of more than 1.6 million.

    Chad Baus, secretary of the Buckeye Firearms Association, told FoxNews.com he received the email from a confidential source within the company who was “concerned” about the media group’s plans. Whatever the intention behind the proposed databases, Baus said he wants the effort stopped.

    “The goal is to raise awareness because each and every time a newspaper organization does this type of thing, the public reacts very strongly to it,” Baus said. “And yes, we do want it stopped. They’re saying they’re not going to publish the list, but once the list is compiled, what are they going to do with it?”

    The database, if indeed created according to the internal email obtained by Baus, would be used to further “demonize gun owners,” he said.

    “There’s no other purpose for creating these lists but to target and victimize gun owners,” Baus told FoxNews.com.

    As a gun owner himself, Baus isn’t concerned with potentially becoming a target for would-be burglars, but others may not feel the same way, he said.

    “There are many people who choose for that information not to be public, whether for employment reasons or family politics,” he said. “Many law-abiding people don’t want that information to be public.”

    The New York project, by the Gannett-owned Journal News, angered Second Amendment advocates across the country, who said it was an effort to stigmatize legal gun owners. Some law enforcement officials also complained the interactive map, published with an article entitled "The gun owner next door: What you don't know about the weapons in your neighborhood," provided burglars with a roadmap of which homes to avoid and which ones to hit.

    The newspaper nevertheless defended the decision to publish the material, obtained through Freedom of Information Act requests.

    "The massacre in Newtown remains top-of-mind for many of our readers," a statement said. "In the past week, conversation on our opinion pages and on our website, LoHud.com, has been keenly focused on gun control.

    "Our readers are understandably interested to know about guns in their neighborhoods. We obtained the names and addresses of Westchester and Rockland residents who are licensed to own handguns through routine Freedom of Information law public-records requests."

    Michael Hammond, legislative counsel for the Gun Owners of America, said he believes Civitas Media will ultimately publish the databases, despite Lawitz’s statement to FoxNews.com.

    “Why would a newspaper chain go to the trouble of compiling a list if they had no interest in publishing it?” he said. “Isn’t that what newspapers do? It’s clear that this newspaper chain doesn’t intend to do [gun owners] good.”

    National Rifle Association spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said the project serves no journalistic purpose.

    “There is no legitimate need for any news organization to compile a list of law-abiding citizens who have concealed carry permits,” Arulanandam told FoxNews.com. “There are serious security concerns. For example, some people who have carry permits have stalkers and these news organizations are essentially providing a lighted pathway to the homes of these individuals.”
     
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  2. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Again if they do just publish all the news people's home addresses and the politicians as well.
     
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  3. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    It sounds racist to me.
     
  4. 41Slinger

    41Slinger Harrisburg Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    , some people who have carry permits have stalkers and these news organizations are essentially providing a lighted pathway to the homes of these individuals.”

    Lighted pathways make for exceptionally good target acquisition, just sayin.
     
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    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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  6. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    That's cute. I hope they have rough sailing.

    A lot if states don't provide that information. A number explicitly exclude anything more than summary data from public record requests.

    Here is a source I found quickly. Probably not the most accurate though.
    http://ballotpedia.org/Public_access_to_concealed_carry_lists
     
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    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    The article now says that it was considered but rejected.


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  8. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad to see that both OR and WA don't allow public access.


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    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    OR did more to restrict it after a newspaper tried to get the information. Still not perfect but it's not terrible.
     
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    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Here's the other thread already going on this:
    http://www.northwestfirearms.com/legal-political/160667-intruder-alert.html



    Deen
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    "Having a gun is like a parachute, if you need one and don't have it you may never need it again"
     
  11. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    SERIOUSLY

    Again if they do just publish all the news people's home addresses and the politicians as well.
     
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    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    Pasting the majority of my response from the thread started after this that had a more informative title.

    A lot if states don't provide that information. A number explicitly exclude anything more than summary data from public record requests.

    Here is a source I found quickly. Probably not the most accurate though.
    http://ballotpedia.org/Public_access_to_concealed_carry_lists
     
  13. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    I concur they get upset when that is published also put in there these should be gun free zones for anyone that cares. The time for being nice or PC or whatever you want to call it is over we need to play by the same rules the antis play by = all fair in this war.
     
  14. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    People with CHLs who have their addresses and names exposed should file class action lawsuits against these organizations based on actual damages from burglaries enabled by the publication of these lists, and the mental anguish (worry) inflicted where burglaries have not YET occurred. These newspapers could end up with new owners and stockholders.
     
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  15. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Well thank those states that do not release and crucify the ones that do.
     
  16. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Snohomish County, WA Active Member

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    Loss of consortium
     
  17. Tony617

    Tony617 Washington State Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I looked at list and quite a few states are "Yes". At least Washington state is "No"
     
  18. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Now they say it was a brain fart.
    They felt the heat <ROFLMAO>

    Newspaper boss says gun permit database idea was misfire, http://fxn.ws/1gdKbRg - Sent via the FOX News Android App.