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I have a Center Point red dot that I don't use anymore..pretty good shape. I'll let you have it in trade for a good pocketknife...
I also have a Weaver Qwik Point, but I don't know about it holding up to the recoil.....although they were pretty popular with the shotgunners for a while.
 
how crisp was the dot on these ive been on the fence about ordering one but dont wat to if its a blob of dots like some of the other clones

The dot's actually pretty good. It's clear with a sharp edge and has a usable brightness range. It ain't a Aimpoint, but than again the PA dot is ~$400 cheaper than a Aimpoint too.

If decent red dot sights look like a blob you might want to check to see if it's your eyes (astigmatism). Lots of people seem to find out they have astigmatism when they buy a Aimpoint and the red dot looks like a comma or football.

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