Oregon Important Measure 114 exemption. Do your part and save a sellers life.

[arakboss]

One interesting exemption that is provided for in Measure 114 and SB941 is this one:

(F) For the purpose of preventing imminent death or serious physical injury, and the provision lasts only as long as is necessary to prevent the death or serious physical injury.


Nobody wants to see somebody (especially a motivated seller) shoot themselves in the leg possibly causing themselves to bleed out and die. Imagine you meet up with the seller of a firearm and you like the firearm but unfortunately background checks have been halted, FFL is closed, FFL is charging too much, you forgot your permit to purchase, etc, so you decline to go through with purchasing the firearm. The seller is very disappointed because they needed the money and tells you that if you don't buy, take and maintain possession of the firearm for as long as they are alive that they are going to shoot themselves in the leg which would result in serious physical injury, possibly death of the seller. The seller says they will be checking to make sure you still possess the firearm for as long as they are alive. You remember that both Measure 114 and SB 941 provide an exemption to FFL transfers if the transfers are done for the purpose of preventing imminent death or serious physical injury. You decide to save the seller from serious physical injury or possible death and buy and maintain possession of the firearm. You did a good deed and you did it legally.

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[Camelfilter]

Sigh...

 

[arakboss]

Another scenario might be that if somebody asked you to hold a firearm for them because they were very depressed, having thoughts of seriously injuring themselves, you could accept the firearm legally under the exemptions. Transferring the firearm back to this person would require that they complete a background check.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

One trouble with this "idea" is...

Now the seller has a black mark , so to speak , and could be seen as mentally unstable....
Which in turn , could make him unable to own the other firearms he does not wish to sell.

The OP is a bad idea.
Andy

 

[guntrunw]

Well, that might be one defense strategy to fall back on during a trial…. Much like "those weren't my pants I was wearing and I didn't know It was there"?

 

[arakboss]

One trouble with this "idea" is...

Now the seller has a black mark , so to speak , and could be seen as mentally unstable....
Which in turn , could make him unable to own the other firearms he does not wish to sell.

The OP is a bad idea.
Andy

That is possible but it would have to come to the attention of somebody who cares about issuing black marks.

 

[arakboss]

That is possible but it would have to come to the attention of somebody who cares about issuing black marks.

I am not sure what level of black marks designate you as a prohibited person but would be interested in what Oregon law says about that?

 

[arakboss]

I think it is worthy to fully explore the pros and cons of all exemptions that are provided in the law.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

That is possible but it would have to come to the attention of somebody who cares about issuing black marks.

To be blunt....
Your idea in your OP reminds me of the 3rd graders I deal with at recess...
Who will try anything to weasel out of getting into trouble , when caught breaking a school rule.

I stand by my statement of your idea in your OP is a bad one.
Andy

 

[arakboss]

To be blunt....
Your idea in your OP reminds me of the 3rd graders I deal with at recess...
Who will try anything to weasel out of getting into trouble , when caught breaking a school rule.

I stand by my statement of your idea in your OP is a bad one.
Andy

Other members did not like my suggestion of using family member exemptions for transfers. It seems taking advantage of legal exemptions is somewhat unpopular around here.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Other members did not like my suggestion of using family member exemptions for transfers. It seems taking advantage of legal exemptions is somewhat unpopular around here.

You just don't seem to "get it".

I am talking about your OP , here in this thread...nothing else.

In any event....much like with 3rd graders...I don't argue , I just state what is what.
So I will leave you to your bad idea and thread.
Andy

 

[2Wheels4Ever]

I applaud the effort! I doubt that logic will hold up in court, but at least it's something if you decide to ignore this useless law and get caught. Just don't get caught

 

[PORSCHE928S4]

Everything is legal till you get caught .

 

[Spitpatch]

One interesting exemption that is provided for in Measure 114 and SB941 is this one:

(F) For the purpose of preventing imminent death or serious physical injury, and the provision lasts only as long as is necessary to prevent the death or serious physical injury.


Nobody wants to see somebody (especially a motivated seller) shoot themselves in the leg possibly causing themselves to bleed out and die. Imagine you meet up with the seller of a firearm and you like the firearm but unfortunately background checks have been halted, FFL is closed, FFL is charging too much, you forgot your permit to purchase, etc, so you decline to go through with purchasing the firearm. The seller is very disappointed because they needed the money and tells you that if you don't buy, take and maintain possession of the firearm for as long as they are alive that they are going to shoot themselves in the leg which would result in serious physical injury, possibly death of the seller. The seller says they will be checking to make sure you still possess the firearm for as long as they are alive. You remember that both Measure 114 and SB 941 provide an exemption to FFL transfers if the transfers are done for the purpose of preventing imminent death or serious physical injury. You decide to save the seller from serious physical injury or possible death and buy and maintain possession of the firearm. You did a good deed and you did it legally.

But what if you've crossed the International Date Line?

 

[Forester]

So, on a more serious note. Could a person with an illegal magazine who uses it in a legitimate self defense scenario be excused from 114 prosecution?

 

[PORSCHE928S4]

So, on a more serious note. Could a person with an illegal magazine who uses it in a legitimate self defense scenario be excused from 114 prosecution?

I am not a legal expert but.... from the wording legal use of high cap mags are ok at the range and home/property so the incident should take place there !

 

[Forester]

I am not a legal expert but.... from the wording legal use of high cap mags are ok at the range and home/property so the incident should take place there !

I understand the term "exemption " to mean not an infraction given certain circumstances when it would otherwise not be permissible.
Hence an exemption for an illegal mag being used in a life or death situation

 

[Wombat of Doom]

That is possible but it would have to come to the attention of somebody who cares about issuing black marks.

Oh trust me, it does. Want red flag confiscations, because this is how you get red flag confiscations?

 

[MichaelH]

The "but my buddy was suicidal/homicidal when he transferred possession to me and I have to give it back when he's better" defense. Only applies if transferee's possession comes to attention of authorities, AND permitted if transferor is complying with a FAPA or some other court order and has to tell the DA what happened to transferor's firearms.

 

[Stomper]

One trouble with this "idea" is...

Now the seller has a black mark , so to speak , and could be seen as mentally unstable....
Which in turn , could make him unable to own the other firearms he does not wish to sell.

The OP is a bad idea.
Andy

It's an indication that someone has WAY too much time on their hands…..