I think this is awesome....

[unklekippy]

This guy is not looking for a lawsuit, he's making a point. I commend him because he is correct about his rights. On the other hand, we know that walking down a main street of a metropolitan area with a gun will attract police. I in no way support any suppression of our rights, but I have to play Devil's Advocate here:

Imagine another person walking down the street with a gun. The police are called several times, yet they inform the caller that if all the individual is doing is walking down the street with a gun, he is breaking no law, therefore they cannot interfere with him. That person walks into Burger King and unloads his gun(s) into the customers and staff. Imagine those lawsuits.

It's a tough line the police have to walk and I do not envy their position. Sometimes it's tough to tell if you are harrassing a decent citizen that is exercising an inalienable right, or if you are preventing a mass murder. My whole point is that while I totally agree with everything the gentleman said in his defense, I can't blame the police for questioning his intentions. Kip.

 

[Member 5605]

I find it interesting watching these types of videos.

While I have my CHL I have found myself lately carrying more and more on the ... wait for it... OUTSIDE of my pants. It's just more comfortable when I'm wearing lighter clothes.

Cool, calm, collected. Kudos. While the legal precedents were unnecessary because no officer knows them. Calmly stating: "no you do not have permission, and I do not consent"
Could tell the anxiety in both of their voices.

 

[509]

give him ur i.d. and be on ur way. why do people do this? i think it's stupid, but thats just me.

 

[mjbskwim]

This guy is not looking for a lawsuit, he's making a point. I commend him because he is correct about his rights. On the other hand, we know that walking down a main street of a metropolitan area with a gun will attract police. I in no way support any suppression of our rights, but I have to play Devil's Advocate here:

Imagine another person walking down the street with a gun. The police are called several times, yet they inform the caller that if all the individual is doing is walking down the street with a gun, he is breaking no law, therefore they cannot interfere with him. That person walks into Burger King and unloads his gun(s) into the customers and staff. Imagine those lawsuits.

It's a tough line the police have to walk and I do not envy their position. Sometimes it's tough to tell if you are harrassing a decent citizen that is exercising an inalienable right, or if you are preventing a mass murder. My whole point is that while I totally agree with everything the gentleman said in his defense, I can't blame the police for questioning his intentions. Kip.

This is just dandy,but when the police approach the man,maybe just driving by they could OBSERVE? and make a quick little decision as to if the guy was demented or not. A mass murderer may just look at them a little different that a legal OC guy no?
Maybe walk down the sidewalk from the opposite direction and OBSERVE?

Kinda pretty sure if the OC was crazy and going to kill some folks,probably wouldn't be open carrying

Why must this always be pointed out? A bad guy/felon isn't going to walk down the street open carrying.
AND if he is,those cops wouldn't be alive.He probably would have shot them since they weren't really that ready for much other than a little harassment time.
Or he would have given them the gun and either laid on the ground,like a good felon or ran,not stand there and argue politics with them.
Kind of a no brainer.

 

[unklekippy]

mjbskwim-I agree with everything you just said. Still, whether you or I like it or not, little, timid people get freaked out by guns. There's a lot of things that we CAN do that just isn't socially acceptable. It's not illegal to walk down the street in lingerie, but it could attract attention.

I think you and I have shared enough threads to know that I in no way support the disarming of a legal citizen. That is exactly why no one ever knows if I have a gun on me. I also clearly stated that I was playing Devil's Advocate. This guy was screaming for police contact and he got it. The officer would have been in a better light if the gun stayed on the citizen's hip while the interaction occured.

Here in Portland if a man walked down NE 82nd Ave. with a gun on his hip and no officer stopped him, every news channel would cover it and our mayor would cry about getting "illegal guns" off the street. There would be an internal investigation and it could be an expensive, ridiculous situation, potentially costing officers their jobs. That doesn't make it right, it just makes it reality.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

a lot of open carriers are set up to record "on the spot" because of the way open carriers are treated by police officers. Spend some time at OpenCarry and you'll find a lot of threads about which recording device to carry and how to use it.

I have experienced it and not by choice. It seems cops today are set to intimidate and not to serve

 

[Blitzkrieg]

HUh? All I know is the dude looked like he just got done rehearsing his speal in front of the mirror and had a video camera rolling for some reason. I OC all the time with no problems whatsoever, and the thought of carrying a VC has never entered my mind. I know my rights quite well but other than Terry vs Ohio, I could not cite any other relevant cases (that guy cited like five). And I didnt even read the comments.

Of all the similar video's on YT, you dont think any are just posing tool's?

But then again maybe I am wrong, but you have to admit that the possibility exists.

Maybe he's just cooler than you. There was a study not long ago that determined that people cannot ascertain individuals with higher intelligence than their own native levels...

 

[Blitzkrieg]

This guy is not looking for a lawsuit, he's making a point. I commend him because he is correct about his rights. On the other hand, we know that walking down a main street of a metropolitan area with a gun will attract police. I in no way support any suppression of our rights, but I have to play Devil's Advocate here:

Imagine another person walking down the street with a gun. The police are called several times, yet they inform the caller that if all the individual is doing is walking down the street with a gun, he is breaking no law, therefore they cannot interfere with him. That person walks into Burger King and unloads his gun(s) into the customers and staff. Imagine those lawsuits.

It's a tough line the police have to walk and I do not envy their position. Sometimes it's tough to tell if you are harrassing a decent citizen that is exercising an inalienable right, or if you are preventing a mass murder. My whole point is that while I totally agree with everything the gentleman said in his defense, I can't blame the police for questioning his intentions. Kip.

Intentions are silly. The law is what matters. Unarmed people are victims

 

[mjbskwim]

mjbskwim- Still, whether you or I like it or not, little, timid people get freaked out by guns.

I also clearly stated that I was playing Devil's Advocate. This guy was screaming for police contact and he got it.

Here in Portland if a man walked down NE 82nd Ave. with a gun on his hip and no officer stopped him, every news channel would cover it and our mayor would cry about getting "illegal guns" off the street. There would be an internal investigation and it could be an expensive, ridiculous situation, potentially costing officers their jobs. That doesn't make it right, it just makes it reality.

Yes I know the PEOPLE get skeered,but it's the 911 dispatcher's and the police's job to know what is legal.(yeah yeah they can't know all the laws,but we ,on here can find the law in seconds? Oh and they do have a computer on board).So they appear and talk to the guy,ask him if he is a felon and leave
There you go.Everybody is happy

Hey how about go talk to the caller and educate them of the law?

Since this forum is read by people other than us,your DA statements gotta be answered,no?

And using Portland OR or Beaverton doesn't count since y'all need a carry permit to OC right?
I mean look at Seattle,the guy at Greenlake.He had guns pulled on him for OCing.

And lastly? I am not a fan of open carrying.I see no advantage to it .
I think CC is just the smarter way to go.

 

[Spitpatch]

"...,but it's the 911 dispatcher's and the police's job to know what is legal."

Here, you're operating at the 50% accurate level, Mike. It is the 911 dispatcher's job to send police whenever (and for whatever reason) people ask. Legal, Schmegal, or for a loose Beagle. It is the cop's job to know the law.

I'm in your camp all the way in your assessment of CC being a much more advantageous strategy (for a number of reasons).

 

[One-Eyed Ross]

give him ur i.d. and be on ur way. why do people do this? i think it's stupid, but thats just me.

Because, in this country, at least at this time, we don't have a GeheimStatsPolizei or Stasi that can demand "Ihre Papier, bitte"...we live in country that requires a probable cause for that kind of action.

 

[One-Eyed Ross]

I'm in your camp all the way in your assessment of CC being a much more advantageous strategy (for a number of reasons).

that's why cops do it....oh....wait.

 

[Redcap]

give him ur i.d. and be on ur way. why do people do this? i think it's stupid, but thats just me.

You are a sheep.

 

[slimmer13]

Maybe he's just cooler than you. There was a study not long ago that determined that people cannot ascertain individuals with higher intelligence than their own native levels...

It is quite possible that this individual is much cooler than me these days. I am the father of three young children so when I am not at work, my days are mostly filled with butt wiping and cleaning crayon off the walls. As far as intelligence goes, although I am a pretty smart guy (based purely on my IQ), I do not know this individual (nor do you), so again it is quite possible that he is smarter than I am.

Since we do not know this individual, it is impossible for us to difinitively say for certain if he is merely a responsible citizen going about his business or some clown trying to get a bunch of hits on Youtube. The latter is simply the impression that I got after wartching the video. Impressions are not fact and are often wrong which is true for at least one of us.

 

[unklekippy]

As far as I am concerned, my right to bear arms is inalienable. I don't give a rat's a** what state I'm in. I SHOULD be able to open carry wherever the hell I want. I have never had a parking ticket. The police log that the gentlemean refers to in the video? I've never been part of one of those either. I have NO criminal record whatsoever. I cannot be disarmed because Johnny Law decides so. My point is that while I am legal, I am not going to look for a confrontation with police. Maybe if more folks did what this guy did we could all wear gun's on our hips like the old west(I'm all for it. Guns should be sold in vending machines.). But what we on this forum(myself included) view as this guy "standing up for his, yours and my rights", the "mainstream sheeple" view him as a nut looking for a fight and he drags us in with him.

Please, feel free to rail against all that I say. I don't even agree with all that I am typing, but it doesn't change reality. At least the perception of reality.

By all means, call out my DA statements. I have never been one to shy away from how I feel on this forum and I don't have any bones with those that call me out. I wanted to be clear that we are on the same side, not tell you to stop picking on me.

As far as educating the caller, I believe I covered that in my first post. Something along the lines of "people call in and they are informed that as long as he is carrying openly on the street, he is committing no crime."

We need Americans to put away this irrational fear of guns. I just don't know that this is how we go about it. Kip.

P.S. Open carry in my opinion is for those that want to make a statement or those with a practical purpose, such as on their property to dispatch critters. In the city, CC is by far the way to go. I stand a shade over 6'4" tall and weigh in about 275. My last name is as Norwegian as my first. Point is, people don't generally mess with me. People cross the street when I walk toward them. I don't like unintentionally intimidating people. I'm definitely not going to do it intentionally. I can't(and won't) argue with you fella's that this cop mishandled the situation and his pride got him in even further when the citizen started shutting him down. I guess it's just not territory that I intend to tread in.

 

[One-Eyed Ross]

unclekippy, move to Lewis county and it won't be an issue. Most folks around just plain don't care, and that includes the police forces.

 

[unklekippy]

Sorry, Ross. I have considered the move North before. An Oregonian moving to Washington(without being transfered by a federal prison system) is sacreligious. We may have Salem and Eugene, but you folks have Longview, Tacoma, Spokane and Yakima.

What's the difference between someone from WA and yogurt?
Yogurt is cultured. Ha!
Kip

 

[Blitzkrieg]

I've had tickets in the past and I still want my right to open carry, even if I decide to conceal, instead for tactical reasons

BTW we also have the Olympic Peninsula.. I would not trade anyplace in OR for our land out there

 

[knuckle Head]

Well IMO haven been on both sides of this, the LEO gets a call or many calls as stted here, they is a need to come out and do a slight investigation to see what is going on. I always show them my ID and explain to them the law if they are unaware of it and go on my way. I live just on the edge of a city that has some problems, and my neighbors are calling about once amonth about something and the older lady and her daughter next door have lived here 40 yrs, so when someone goes on vacation they usually check the house out or check to make sure no mail was left (for the people right around us and they check mine) well they know I carry most of the time, whenever they see something they come get me until the LEO's arrive, I always pull out conceal carry license tell I am carrying and was a reserve LEO and a soldier once, they say cool ready backup, they check it out thank us and on are their merry way.

I stopped to pull a car out one winter with my 4x4 truck where the LEO's were trying to push in out, I said give I can take care of this, oh by the way I have conceal carry license and am carrying in case you see while this is happening do you want to see the license, they looked kind of in shock na yor saving my back, but thanks for the head up.

What I am trying to say here guy and gals there are two sides to every coin, when they get a lot of calls they calm the naive uninformed sheeple by just showing up and talking to them, for the last 100 yrs we the commies and socialist power hungry monsters have gotten the sheeple to point of parnoyia when it comes to guns it is going to take time to change their brainwashed mind set,

 

[unklekippy]

Blitzkrieg-You should have your right to carry. I was just saying that as "the cleanest of clean"(as far as my criminal record is concerned, for I am not without guilt) why should I have to worry about my inalienable rights? I'm not suggesting you sell all your guns because you had a tailight out or had a domestic dispute 25 years ago.

And of course you have the Olympic Peninsula. Washington is a beautiful state. That doesn't mean that us border folk can't poke a little fun. Better WA than CA any day. Kip.