Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide

[bugeye]

Hey Bug,

I agree with you (to a point) about heading into a "fascist" state (and ATM the Dems are driving that bus @ 120mph towards it), but I think you may be referring to the European model of "right" and "left"... to the European "left" is Communism, to the european "right" is Fascism.... not much difference between the two, BOTH are (ultimately) about BIG government (Hitler said so himself). Its just different means to the same end, only the "tools" to get there differ.

IMO the USA "model" of left/right is MUCH different...

Left = "liberal" which USED to mean libertarian, aka less government intrusions into PERSONAL freedoms, a term that was co-opted by the progressive movement back in Wilson's day when their political fortunes were going down. The American "left" is in the pocket of big business (and vice-versa) as well... can you say GE, Goldman Sacks, and the newly built CCX out of Illinois that stands to make 10 TRILLION DOLLARS a year in profits, and guess who founded another company that owns 10% of that pie if the cap and tax bill gets passed... that's right our Democratic hero and champion of "the people"... Al Gore!! The left has been co-opted by extremists using certain "wedge issues" (simplistic examples) like abortion, welfare, class warfare, "gay" rights, etc.

The American "model" of the "right" is no better... corporate colusion, (Enron, S&L's, etc.) but its a perversion of the "conservative movement"... (simplistic examples) personal freedoms, self-reliance, stricter adherance to the original intent of the Constitution, etc.

The LOVE OF MONEY drives all of this (and we get to foot the bill), the "flag/banner" you march under is irrelevant. Corporatism, socialism, fascism, communism... its ALL slavery (and ultimately death) in the end, so what are WE CITIZENS going to do about it?

We will have to disagree on the parties, but not by much. Other than that I'm pretty much in agreement with what you say. The only politican I know of who has started to address this corporate take over in pressing terms, and the loss of government autonomy to resist this take over, is Ron Paul. I don't know if he is going to get any traction on that, as this isn't the fox news type of bs conservatism, it's the real thing. Real conservatism makes the money nervous.

 

[Buddymack]

Many in this country don't understand what left and right truly is..
Extreme left is what the Nazi party ended up with it was a Socialist party with lots and lots of Government control ..
I am of the party on the extreme right, just enough Government for the people and by the people and just enough to prevent Anarchy ...something I have noticed in all the different cultures I have lived in the more liberal or blue a state votes the more Nazi the cops are!

 

[Father of four]

That street runs both ways.

I think you might look a little deeper into the political structures of this world. You would find that Republican/Democrat are two wings on the same dirty bird. A false choice we are given so that when we are tired of being abused by one, we stampede to the other. In reality, they are both controlled by the same greedy, power mad pigs that make living on this planet so much less than what it could be. Look past the surface to the "man behind the curtain". Come November - leave no incumbent standing - throw all the bums out - regardless of party affiliation.

 

[bugeye]

Many in this country don't understand what left and right truly is..
Extreme left is what the Nazi party ended up with it was a Socialist party with lots and lots of Government control ..
I am of the party on the extreme right, just enough Government for the people and by the people and just enough to prevent Anarchy ...something I have noticed in all the different cultures I have lived in the more liberal or blue a state votes the more Nazi the cops are!

The Nazi party had lots of control but they weren't socialist, socialists make decisions for the benefit of the people, what the Nazi's did was to make decsions for the benefit of themselves. Yeah I know about Stalin and Mao, but you see they weren't very good socialists.

You folks keep trying to redefine the system for your own advantage. And while your ignoring an established three hundred year old definition you seem to have missed the point that the real Nazi's we have are on your side, right now. They feel quite at home there, not out of pace at all. Perhaps you need to go lecture them on your newfangled system and give them some busfare for the trip to the other side. While your at it you could also explain that myth of less government control on issues like mercy killing, abortion, homosexuality, acceptable art, deporting of aliens, how you are always so behind sending our young people to go fight wars we didn't need to fight (talk about government control), and the ever popular flag burning.

The gov seeks to control things that pop up in negative ways, not just things they think of, real incidences like crazy derivatives trading, or oil platforms sinking leaving uncontrollable oil spills. If you prevent the gov from controlling these things who will then be in control of them? So, what the right is really promoting is corporate control, and business control, that is why your also stuck with the crazy free market types, and just between you and me, if possible I'd get rid of them and keep the Nazi's. And that is why the anarchists are over here!

 

[Buddymack]

The Nazi party had lots of control but they weren't socialist, socialists make decisions for the benefit of the people, what the Nazi's did was to make decsions for the benefit of themselves. Yeah I know about Stalin and Mao, but you see they weren't very good socialists.

You folks keep trying to redefine the system for your own advantage. And while your ignoring an established three hundred year old definition you seem to have missed the point that the real Nazi's we have are on your side, right now. They feel quite at home there, not out of pace at all. Perhaps you need to go lecture them on your newfangled system and give them some busfare for the trip to the other side. While your at it you could also explain that myth of less government control on issues like mercy killing, abortion, homosexuality, acceptable art, deporting of aliens, how you are always so behind sending our young people to go fight wars we didn't need to fight (talk about government control), and the ever popular flag burning.

The gov seeks to control things that pop up in negative ways, not just things they think of, real incidences like crazy derivatives trading, or oil platforms sinking leaving uncontrollable oil spills. If you prevent the gov from controlling these things who will then be in control of them? So, what the right is really promoting is corporate control, and business control, that is why your also stuck with the crazy free market types, and just between you and me, if possible I'd get rid of them and keep the Nazi's. And that is why the anarchists are over here!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party ....

Yes they were and to quote you....many "others" agree ...

 

[bugeye]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party ....

Yes they were and to quote you....many "others" agree ...

I can only guess that your pointing out the world socialist was in the title of the party. The history of the party is pretty well summarized in the cite you postedand you can see that that term was debated and put in the name to garner some extra support. If you actually read that article you will see that the Nazi's in power had no socialist agenda at all. Here are some quotes from the cite:

"
The Enabling Act, termed for four years, gave the government the power to enact laws without parliamentary approval, to enact foreign treaties abroad and even to make changes to the Constitution. The Nazis did not keep their promises to their political allies, banning all other parties just as they had banned the communists and socialists. "

"The SA under Röhm's leadership soon became a major problem for the party. Many of the 700,000 members of this well-armed working-class militia took the "socialist" element of "national socialism" seriously, and soon began to demand that the Nazi regime broaden its attack from SPD and KPD activists and Jews to include the capitalist system. In addition, Röhm and his associates saw the SA as the army of the new revolutionary Nazi state, replacing the old aristocratic officer corps. The army was still outside party control, and Hitler feared that it might stage a putsch if its leaders felt threatened with an SA take-over. The business community was also alarmed by the SA's socialist rhetoric, with which, as noted earlier, Hitler had no sympathy beyond transferring power from Churches to the State.

In June 1934, Hitler, using the SS and Gestapo under Himmler's command, staged a coup against the SA, having Röhm and about 700 others killed. This Night of the Long Knives broke the power of the SA, while increasing the power of Himmler and the SS, who emerged as the real executive arm of the Nazi Party. The business community was reassured and largely reconciled to Nazi rule. The army leaders were so grateful that the Defence Minister, Werner von Blomberg, who was not a Nazi, on his own initiative had all army members swear a personal oath to Hitler as "führer" of the German state
"

 

[Just Jim]

Lots of short little post Governments have killed millions of their people. More than any natural disaster in all of known history. Government is the least trusted to do what is right yet given the most power over us. The constitution was keeping us safe till the progressives and the Democrats got power, now nobody is safe from government corruption.

jj

 

[Stomper]

The Nazi party had lots of control but they weren't socialist, socialists make decisions for the benefit of the people, what the Nazi's did was to make decsions for the benefit of themselves. Yeah I know about Stalin and Mao, but you see they weren't very good socialists.

You folks keep trying to redefine the system for your own advantage. And while your ignoring an established three hundred year old definition you seem to have missed the point that the real Nazi's we have are on your side, right now. They feel quite at home there, not out of pace at all. Perhaps you need to go lecture them on your newfangled system and give them some busfare for the trip to the other side. While your at it you could also explain that myth of less government control on issues like mercy killing, abortion, homosexuality, acceptable art, deporting of aliens, how you are always so behind sending our young people to go fight wars we didn't need to fight (talk about government control), and the ever popular flag burning.

The gov seeks to control things that pop up in negative ways, not just things they think of, real incidences like crazy derivatives trading, or oil platforms sinking leaving uncontrollable oil spills. If you prevent the gov from controlling these things who will then be in control of them? So, what the right is really promoting is corporate control, and business control, that is why your also stuck with the crazy free market types, and just between you and me, if possible I'd get rid of them and keep the Nazi's. And that is why the anarchists are over here!

ALL governmental "models" are idealistic (on paper) at best, its the schmucks "operating in their own interests" within any given system that booger up the works... but the example you cite are again proof positive that socialism (in any form, including "CORPORATISM") does NOT work no matter how much you try to change the label of it on the outside. The forced redistribution of one's earned wealth saps the incentive from a society. The current hoard of worshipped "annointed saviors" in D.C. (on BOTH SIDES of the isle) are the CAUSE of our nation's trouble, not the cure. Those who place their faith in another to care for their own interests will soon find themselves destitute and in a desperate strait... like our nation currently is.

Almost none of the currently elected shysters in D.C. give a tinker's dam about YOU or YOUR "needs", they're just there to get paid by special interests of EVERY stripe (both "left" and "right"), and exempt themselves from the legislation they impose on the rest of us.


BTW- I'm ALL FOR immigration, and I'm for the deportation of ILLEGAL ALIENS... my first wife was a Honduran (that's in LATIN AMERICA for you lefties... LOL) that I brought here LEGALLY when I was in the Army (a difficult process)... she decided she liked another dude better when I was deployed overseas... my CURRENT wife (and three step-kids) are Australian, that I brought over here LEGALLY, and had to SERIOUSLY PROVE I could support them before the process was even started... its an expensive process I might add! I love how lefties leave out the "illegal" bit when they talk about this issue. I had to play by the rules and pay the fees and I'm ENTITLED to the process, but I would have had my family tossed right out on their arses if I hadn't done it LEGALLY... they should respect the rules and come here. Although I don't blame them for wanting to come here, they should take that energy and improve their OWN country before they come to our country and demand we make all these changes to accomodate them! GO POUND SAND!!!

 

[bugeye]

ALL governmental "models" are idealistic (on paper) at best, its the schmucks "operating in their own interests" within any given system that booger up the works...

GO POUND SAND!!!

The part I quoted is very well said, and if it's any consolation I haven't done any better with my continuing set of citizen wives either. Heck I'd like to deport a few of them.

 

[Buddymack]

Of course the ideal is there is someting to gain ...it starts out as Socialism and ends up being a hammer to the people using there own selfish ideals to propel themselves to power...
In short we will never see good come from it, it will just expend there power.

 

[bugeye]

Lots of short little post Governments have killed millions of their people. More than any natural disaster in all of known history. Government is the least trusted to do what is right yet given the most power over us. The constitution was keeping us safe till the progressives and the Democrats got power, now nobody is safe from government corruption.

jj

In order to prove the truth behind Jim's line we would need a control group earth that had no government ever and then we could check the total death counts due to killing. My gut reaction is that they would be about the same, however since that no government earth never managed to get beyond using sharp sticks this fantasy comparison may be quite flawed.