Frightening Glimpse of a Possible Future

[speeddemon94]

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[trainsktg]

Sorry, I couldn't finish reading this. The author sounds like he breathlessly hopes such a scenerio will happen. I do not.

Whatever happens, it will not be a bunch of 'operators' skillfully making the good old USofA safe for Mom and apple pie. It'll be the same bloodthirsty neighbor-on-neighbor lawlessness, suffering, disease and death we've seen everywhere else the civil society breaks apart.

Keith

 

[chariot13]

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Whatever set off the people in Egypt, Libya, Syria etc.... Im thinking it wasn't something as serious as their own government attacking a god given right recognized in their own constitution, such as a right like the second ammendment. Millions of Americans would consider an attack on their still 'not good enough' semi auto's that they need in the least, if there is ever a situation where they have to fight off an oppressive government. Tyranny.

 

[trainsktg]

Whatever set off the people in Egypt, Libya, Syria etc.... Im thinking it wasn't something as serious as their own government attacking a god given right recognized in their own constitution, such as a right like the second ammendment. Millions of Americans would consider an attack on their still 'not good enough' semi auto's that they need in the least, if there is ever a situation where they have to fight off an oppressive government.

Yet I'm still reminded of how many Patriots came to the defense of the Branch Dividians before the US government decided to immolate a bunch of children to save them from so-called child abuse, or the riots in the streets demanding the jailing of the government officials responsible, or the impeachment of the President for allowing it to happen on his watch.

Hmmm, I don't either. In reality, most Americans couldn't give a rat's behind about the Constitution as long as Dancing with the Stars or American Idol is on TV tonight.

Keith

 

[speeddemon94]

By posting that I am in no way saying I agree with the guy. Just passing along information. If we are going to stay on top of this and actually try to make our voices heard, then we've got to hear what others are saying. He really makes a case for the idiots to go after bolt actions and .22's.

I just try to post stuff so we all know what's going on.

 

[chariot13]

Yet I'm still reminded of how many Patriots came to the defense of the Branch Dividians before the US government decided to immolate a bunch of children to save them from so-called child abuse, or the riots in the streets demanding the jailing of the government officials responsible, or the impeachment of the President for allowing it to happen on his watch.

Hmmm, I don't either. In reality, most Americans couldn't give a rat's behind about the Constitution as long as Dancing with the Stars or American Idol is on TV tonight.

Keith

Most American's couldnt give a rats behind about the Constitution, you're right. But we don't need most American's in the case of resisting tyranny. The attack on the branch dividians by the government directly effected only a hundred or so people. An attack on the second ammendment that states you are an outlaw if you keep your semi auto without registration directly effects 10's of millions of Americans. There's a big difference & I do believe the people that will refuse to register is certainly in the millions. The amount of people willing to fight fire with fire if they decide to come knocking would be in the hundreds of thousands. Which will ultimately set the ball rolling in the same direction that syria is now in. Not pretty and like the author said, nobody will be a winner. But totally neccesary if you wish to resist tyranny.

The hundreds of thousands that will resist, is the spark. The millions that did not comply with the order of registration, would be the fire.

 

[civilian75]

It is a scary yet really possible scenario. Will trigger a true TEOTWAWKI event. If you are a praying person, add this one to the list if it is not already there.

 

[Trailboss]

A good read, the author makes alot of sense. He's suggesting one possible outcome and it's as valid as any other that I've seen proposed.

 

[chariot13]

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Btw

"the immediate and proximate trigger of the *first* American Revolutionary war was an attempt by General Thomas Gage to disarm the Colonists.

Yes, the American Revolution was triggered by a gun control raid that was met with force by the American people"

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Lexington, MA, 19 April 1775, as British troops approached on their march to Concord to implement gun control. CAPTAIN JOHN PARKER (Commander, Lexington Militia Company) said this "Every man of you who is equipped, follow me..Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon. But if they want to have a war, let it begin here."

 

[Oregonhunter5]

And even the republicans were ready to hang Janet Reno over that, and she was a conservative I thought. Was I wrong?

 

[Oregonhunter5]

This will happen.
And it may, or may not be because of gun rights.
There are hundreds of reasons this could, and WILL happen.
It's biblical.

 

[Trailboss]

And even the republicans were ready to hang Janet Reno over that, and she was a conservative I thought. Was I wrong?

Janet Reno was not a conservative. A tyrant communist yes.

 

[chariot13]

Janet Reno was not a conservative. A tyrant communist yes.

I'd say that it doesn't matter what someone is, republican or democrat or anything else we need to stand together on this because there's a possibility a few rhino republicans may roll over for gun control in the coming month.

 

[Kimber Custom]

I do believe the people that will refuse to register is certainly in the millions. The amount of people willing to fight fire with fire if they decide to come knocking would be in the hundreds of thousands. Which will ultimately set the ball rolling in the same direction that syria is now in. Not pretty and like the author said, nobody will be a winner.

From 2012 December 20 « Monster Hunter Nation (The whole thing is worth reading)

But for the sake of math, let's say that there are only 80 million gun owners, and let's say that the government decides to round up all those pesky guns once and for all. Let's be generous and say that 90% of the gun owners don't really believe in the 2nd Amendment, and their guns are just for duck hunting. Which is what politicians keep telling us, but is actually rather hilarious when you think about how the most commonly sold guns in America are the same detachable magazine semiautomatic rifles I talked about earlier.
So ten percent refuse to turn their guns in. That is 8 million instantaneous felons. Let's say that 90% of them are not wanting to comply out of sheer stubbornness. Let's be super generous and say that 90% of them would still just roll over and turn their guns when pressed or legally threatened. That leaves 800,000 Americans who are not turning their guns in, no matter what. To put that in perspective there are only about 700,000 police officers in the whole country.
Let's say that these hypothetical 10% of 10% are willing to actually fight to keep their guns. Even if my hypothetical estimate of 800,000 gun nuts willing to fight for their guns is correct, it is still 97% higher than the number of insurgents we faced at any one time in Iraq, a country about the size of Texas.
However, I do honestly believe that it would be much bigger than 10%. Once the confiscations turned violent, then it would push many otherwise peaceful people over the edge. I saw somebody on Twitter post about how the 2nd Amendment is stupid because my stupid assault rifles are useless against drones... That person has obviously never worked with the people who build the drones, fly the drones, and service the drones. I have. Where to you think the majority of the US military falls on the political spectrum exactly? There's a reason Mitt Romney won the military vote by over 40 points, and it wasn't because of his hair.
And as for those 700,000 cops, how many of them would side with the gun owners? All the gun nuts, that's for sure. As much as some people like to complain about the gun culture, many of the people you hire to protect you, and darn near all of them who can shoot well, belong to that gun culture. And as I hear people complain about the gun industry, like it is some nebulous, faceless, all powerful corporate thing which hungers for war and anarchy, I just have to laugh, because the gun industry probably has the highest percentage of former cops and former military of any industry in the country. My being a civilian was odd in the circles I worked in. The men and women you pay to protect you have honor and integrity, and they will fight for what they believe in.
So the real question the anti-gun, ban and confiscate, crowd should be asking themselves is this, how many of your fellow Americans are you willing to have killed in order to bring about your utopian vision of the future?

 

[trainsktg]

And even the republicans were ready to hang Janet Reno over that, and she was a conservative I thought. Was I wrong?

Janet Reno was a Democrat appointee under Bill CLinton and certainly no 'conservative'. She took 'full responsibility' for what happened at Waco, but to my knowledge no government officials were ever censured, fired or imprisoned for it. Same with Ruby Ridge. Shooter Lon Horiuchi (funny how some peoples' names you always remember) actually received a promotion soon after sniping Vicki Weaver in the head.

Keith

 

[Trailboss]

The one thing the author didn't address is the fact that gun owners are not one big happy family. Some are feeding from the government trough and won't give it up willingly. Some owners are dyed in the wool socialists or communists and will fight to preserve the destruction of America as we know it.

 

[chariot13]

The one thing the author didn't address is the fact that gun owners are not one big happy family. Some are feeding from the government trough and won't give it up willingly. Some owners are dyed in the wool socialists or communists and will fight to preserve the destruction of America as we know it.

Thats very true. Just as we have seen in syria, libya and egypt the muslim brotherhood was fighting (or protesting) side by side with the actual freedom fighters. I think all that have a common cause come together in the time it is needed to defeat the greater threat & the bickering & side taking between themselves happens after they defeat their common enemy as we have always seen. Coalitions, allies & axis's all do it during war time no less. Putting differences aside is the key to fighting the greatest & common threat to 'the people' if we want to remain Free.

 

[Oregonhunter5]

My bad.
Have you heard of the community there building right now in north Idaho? There taking applications. You have to have survival skills, and be good with a gun. Check it out.

 

[MountainBear]

We as gun owners need to stop following the example of the President. We need to stop segmenting America and gun owners. I am a Conservative Independent. I have friends that are conservatives, liberals, etc. It's going to take all of us to stop this abuse of our rights. Liberal democrats like Ginny Burdick are not likely going to care about the same conservative republicans emailing her over and over, but maybe she listens if her bread and butter liberal democrat gun owners start emailing her. She (and other democratic, typically anti-gun politicians) has shown that she can get elected without conservative votes. But if her liberal democrat constituents make a stink, maybe she realizes its a losing battle. And its not just her. Merkely, Kulongowski (or is it Kitzhaber, or are they the same), and Wyden.
Let's stop segmenting gun owners. Lets work together until all gun owners have the same goal (like the anti-gun crowd). Then maybe we can avoid the events that would precipitate the kind of downfall this author described...

 

[slingshot1943]

By posting that I am in no way saying I agree with the guy. Just passing along information. If we are going to stay on top of this and actually try to make our voices heard, then we've got to hear what others are saying. He really makes a case for the idiots to go after bolt actions and .22's.

I just try to post stuff so we all know what's going on.

If they get the semi-autos they will be right back for the others.