Firearms forums being attacked

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ma96782

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Well, the day that my free porn viewing gets interrupted by a commercial..........

Rrrrright......they have the decency to place the ads at the start, before the action. But then......things could always change. So.....Awww.....never mind.

Aloha, Mark
 

mm93

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I don't think "I" want "conservative" minds controlling our country, or setting up anything. We need to get something in the middle! So both sides can function together for the benefit of everyone. I don't want the Liberal, OR the conservative, religions shoved down my throat!
Show me someone who is "middle" and I'll show you someone willing to give up some of our gun rights to further their own agenda! You go right ahead and wish for the middle man to protect yours, but I want someone conservative for mine!
And conservative doesn't mean they're shoving any gun rights down my throat. It means they aren't shoving liberal gun laws down my throat.
 

bolus

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It makes sense for them to do that rather than rely on Google/YT for their revenue.

Besides, when I watch Youtube, I do my level best to only watch demonetized content because such content merely costs Google money. If there are no ads, there is no revenue, but there's still some nominal cost in hosting and serving the content.
Best way is to have ad blockers and if someone does have good content be a patreon. But at least the adblockers will deny them money across the board.

I have a pi-hole DNS server now and it is funny to see when the anti-add/tracking app gets disabled on my phone accidentally for a few days (over 1000 in 1 day) but even the adblockers let through 200-600 a day that the pi-hole catches

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I'm middle, and Wifey is middle. So there's two for you. And you might be partly right, we both thought that stupid "Bump Stock" was no great loss, and not a hill to die on. I fully disagree with some of the things the right represents. And the left? I've been there. I voted for Obama, the first time. They aren't anywhere close to where the left was 10-15 years ago. And I'll tell you what. All those fine republicans that voted to impeach because of the dems hyping up a few sentences spoke by President Trump in to a total bubblegum storm? They're not on your side! THEY are the critters that President Trump was talking about getting out of the swamp before he was elected. I'll wager, those same republicans will only feign concern when the dems get to coming up with gun laws.
 

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Show me someone who is "middle" and I'll show you someone willing to give up some of our gun rights to further their own agenda!
Speaking only for myself here , since I consider myself as "middle" in regards to many things...

I am not interested , voting , considering , or willing to give up any gun rights.

As far as my "agenda" goes it runs along these lines :

Own what firearms you want...use them safely...

If you want to own firearms , then do so...if you don't , then don't...Just don't make that choice for me or others...

Any firearm can make on someone's : "You can't own this" list....
A limit , ban or restriction on one type of firearm that you can own , just shows that it can be done to all firearms...

Just posting the above , as something to consider since blanket , general "One size fits all " statements...
Don't hold true for all in a given group , and are often one size fits none.
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went to GoDaddy.Com and this was on their website:
Why did GoDaddy suspend services to AR15.com?
On January 8, we received a complaint regarding certain content on AR15.com. Per our policy, our team investigated the content in question and confirmed it violated our terms of service because it incited violence. On that same day, we notified AR15.com that they had 24 hours to remove the content, or their domain name would be suspended. AR15.com responded that the content had been removed, yet when we checked to confirm, the site showed the content still live. Accordingly, we suspended services on January 11.
Although we informed AR15.com they had 24 hours to take action, we actually provided them with 53 hours to remove the content. Again, because the content was not removed, we followed our terms of service and suspended services to AR15.com.
Does GoDaddy plan to take the same action with other gun sites?
GoDaddy supports a free and open Internet. We do not take action on complaints that would constitute censorship of content that represents the exercise of freedom of speech and expression on the Internet. In instances where a site goes beyond the mere exercise of these freedoms, however, and crosses over to promoting, encouraging, or otherwise engaging in violence, as was the case with AR15.com, we will take action.
Also, please remember that the US's "freedom of speech" only applies to the government. It does not apply to private businesses or enterprises. I am not saying that what GoDaddy did was justified. But they do have the right to enforce their own policies.

What I also don't see is anyone addressing the cause of all of these shutdowns. If people were not posting stuff that could be interpreted as "inciting violence" then you would not see these shut downs. How about addressing that side of the equation? Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is anti-gun/2A. You go to this gun forum and see all of these posts about "we need to take action" or "we need to fight" from people who are angry and own guns. Would that make you scared? It is not hard to see that aggressive statements made by gun owners could be construed as potentially violent.

And again, as to Free Speech:
Freedom of speech does not include the right:

  • To incite actions that would harm others (e.g., “shout[ing] ‘fire’ in a crowded theater.”).
    Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919).
So making threats on a private business such as a forum is not protected.
 

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What I also don't see is anyone addressing the cause of all of these shutdowns. If people were not posting stuff that could be interpreted as "inciting violence" then you would not see these shut downs. How about addressing that side of the equation? Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is anti-gun/2A. You go to this gun forum and see all of these posts about "we need to take action" or "we need to fight" from people who are angry and own guns. Would that make you scared? It is not hard to see that aggressive statements made by gun owners could be construed as potentially violent.
The overall issue IMO is two fold. First, the lack of any (that I can find) defined standards for what "inciting violence" means as far a social media/provider/etc companies go. The debil's in the details, but even back in the age of "pornography: I know it when I see it" there were SOME written definitions of it. The companies involved here... nothing. Nothing firm w/ examples at all.

Second, and in the context of lack of definitions, is the perceived double standard. Some can "incite violence" - eg, "take action" and "we need to fight" for racial justice - and not be banned. The same language used to defend the 2A is banned.

Until those two things are addressed all that will happen is people will get more and more pissed off.

<edited to be ultra super crystal without fail clear that this is a discussion and nothing more. Man, not a politician and I need an editor...>
 
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Andy54Hawken

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Both posts #211 and # 212 bring up valid points.

What we say , how we say things...the words we use are important , as well as our actions.
How the above is perceived is just as important.
The reason being is , how you or your words and actions are perceived , may not be a accurate reflection of you or what you said and what you did.

When you are doing anything in public view , that is firearm related , rightly or wrongly , fairly or unfairly...
You are representing all firearm owners , for many of those that are viewing you.

If the saying of "Don't judge a whole group by the actions and words of a few" , is to have any meaning or impact...it needs to be held for as a standard for all...otherwise its just another good sounding , but useless sound bite.
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Show me someone who is "middle" and I'll show you someone willing to give up some of our gun rights to further their own agenda! You go right ahead and wish for the middle man to protect yours, but I want someone conservative for mine!
And conservative doesn't mean they're shoving any gun rights down my throat. It means they aren't shoving liberal gun laws down my throat.
America's two party system is an abomination, and is the reason this country is so fractured. Politicians on the left are pretty f**king stupid when it comes to gun laws. But politicians on the right are just as f**king stupid when it comes denying climate change. And because we're locked into this moronic two party system I have to choose between idiots when it comes time to vote. However, as long as our world is livable we can keep pushing to get rid of irrational gun laws, but if we ruin our world gun laws won't matter at all.

So to address your point, yes I'm willing to give up some of my gun rights to further my agenda of preventing the earth from becoming unlivable, if only so that I can get my gun rights back. F***king leftists and rightists are so stuck on their engraved in stone policies that they're unwilling to pull their heads out of the sand and see the world around them.
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