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FBI report / Americans less violent than ever - except for police

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  1. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/prison-statistics/

    According to new FBI statistics released this week, violent crime rates in the US fell over 4% in the past year alone, bringing the amount of violent crimes lower than it has been in nearly 40 years. The statistics showed that there were an estimated 1.16 million violent crimes in the year of 2013, which is the lowest number since 1978, when 1.09 million were recorded.
    Broken down, the report revealed that manslaughter dropped by 4.4% to 14,196, the lowest rate since 1968, while instances of rape were down 6.3%. Despite the tough economic times, robbery is also down by 2.8% and property crimes were down by 4.1%.

    The violent crime rate has been steadily declining since 1994, but the prison population has continued to increase over the decades. There are currently over two and a half million people imprisoned in the US, which is by far the largest prison population in the world.

    However, a study recently published by Pew Charitable Trusts showed that for the first time in decades, the US prison population is actually on a decline. Their research found that the drop in crime that was seen in 2013 actually coincided with a decline in the prison population. According to their data, the amount of people in the US prison system peaked in 2008, and has since dropped 6%.

    The study also found that there was a drop in the amount of prisoners in 32 of the 50 states, while imprisonment continued to rise in the other 18 states. California showed the largest drop in crime and imprisonment over the past five years, which is likely connected to lighter drug penalties that have been adopted in recent years.

    Even among those who are technically “guilty” of breaking some law, a vast majority of prisoners are nonviolent offenders who don’t belong in prison to begin with. According to some statistics, nonviolent offenders make up nearly 70% of the prison population, many of these people are not guilty of any transgression, and they are in fact themselves victims of state violence.

    While violence among citizens has dropped, violence against citizens carried out by police has been rising sharply.

    According to the FBI’s annual Uniform Crime Report, 461 felony suspects were shot by police last year, which is the highest number seen in decades. These numbers are likely unreported as well, and only includes felony suspects, so it is possible that this figure is much higher than the study suggests.

    Another interesting angle is that in the same time period gun sales soared across the country, which seems to support the idea that more people owning guns actually contributes to making society a safer place.

    According to a Congressional Research Service report covered by Breitbart News on December 4, 2013, the number of privately owned firearms in America increased from 192 million in 1994 to 310 million in 2009 and has continued to increase every year since.
     
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  2. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    I find this very hard to believe.
    We are no safer than before. Statistics can always be skewed to fit an agenda.

    Of course maybe people are less violent BECAUSE police are more violent.
    Kidding.

    I can see kids these days and young adults are more violent and have less regard for others as they become desensitized to a conscience. As families have become non-existent and wholesome values are a thing of the past people become less and less concerned with the welfare of others.
     
  3. JRuby

    JRuby St. Helens Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I find some of the statements above to be very subjective - for example;

    Even among those who are technically “guilty” of breaking some law, a vast majority of prisoners are nonviolent offenders who don’t belong in prison to begin with. The law determines wether they should be in prison or not someones personal opinion.

    These numbers are likely unreported as well, and only includes felony suspects, so it is possible that this figure is much higher than the study suggests. Where is the proof - people are guessing here to put a slant on it.

    I think the write up is good one just be careful of how it is being interpreted.
     
  4. NoFlinch

    NoFlinch In a van down by the river Owner of Cocaine addicted dog.

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    Why do I feel a whole lot LESS SAFE these days than I did 10 years ago??:confused:o_O
     
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  5. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    the prison population is probably down because the D.A. is doing a lot more plea bargaining. also because the leo's are becoming PC (as in the video "don't mike brown me")
     
  6. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Does this study include prisoners kept out of state?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/12/california-prison-overcrowding_n_1668665.html
     
  7. albin25

    albin25 Lewiston Idaho Well-Known Member

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    A huge reason for prison population declines are some major court decisions REQUIRING States like California to early release tens of thousands of prisoners to comply with lawsuits won that set what the max population can be, without regard to public safety. Basically unless you kill someone you're out in a matter of days to steal a few more cars or beat your wife again.
     
  8. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    Riot, can you provide a more current link to any After 07/12/2012???

    And, gee, maybe some thing more towards the Center, than HuffPo??? I mean, gee, they dance like a puppet on obama's string 98% of the time...

    Just saying.

    philip :oops:
     
  9. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    Albin25, Have you been ~Thinking~ AGain??? :s0101::s0101::s0101:

    I mean that is a Marine Corp BullDog for an Atavar... I applaud you, Sarge!!! :D

    philip :confused:
     
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  10. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    Oh, and to make sure, my views on the post are understood... I would lay odds, that some one in Zero's Administration, spoke to ~someone~ In the FBI's Administration... (But I repeat myself there) ... To angle the dangle of the Statistics ReSults, to Further Endanger, the lives of our LEO's
    :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

    But, I could be mistaken... I was once before...

    philip :confused:
     
  11. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    4% of 1.08 million is ...... a lot of felony killin n rapin in my book, I feel no safer than I did 30 years ago.......

    Not sure we can celebrate just yet. We need more prisons!!!!!!
     
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  12. CoastRange57

    CoastRange57 Western Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I was subponeaed to be a material witness in a trial two weeks ago. The perp was charged with 2 counts of aggravated attempt murder, 2 counts of robbery I, felon in possession of a fire arm, 2 counts reckless endangerment. I was the 911 caller.

    You know how much this son of byotch got ??

    He plead to 1 count of aggravated attempt murder, and 1 count of robbery. He got 17 fing years. He will have 10 years federal time to do after that for having a silencer on the gun he used, it was some hardware store POS, but will still get the Federal time.

    To top this off, he had already done 1o years in Washington on a second degree murder conviction in the early 1990's.

    Now you tell me how fued up our justice system is.
     
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  13. JRuby

    JRuby St. Helens Oregon Well-Known Member

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    But you see - he had completed his time so he should have his rights restored since he completed his first ten years and was set free. This is the kind of logic some around here believe in... In my book - you become a felon such as this you should never get your rights back, any of them. Society did not take them away - the convicted person forfeited them due to his/her own actions.
     
  14. NoFlinch

    NoFlinch In a van down by the river Owner of Cocaine addicted dog.

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    So, I don't comprendo' (that's espanol" for those illegals....):D

    He got 27 years??
    How old is the guy?

    If he's 50+, he'll never see light.
    If he's 20, we have a problem, I think:confused:o_O

    I'm not certain I understand your point.
     
  15. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    @ JRuby, i understand, Both sides of that equation. I did support group work though, with a fellon, who Really Did Change: to the point he became part of a Court Appointed anger abatement system, sort of like taking a series of classes for the DUI, but for Domestic Violence.

    In his development of this program primarily Funded by a Woman's Crisis Intervention dotORG, he had to go into the same Parole Office, that he went through after he did his Hard Time. He had to Talk to His PO!!! She said you look familiar, and before he could say anything, shrugged it off with oh your work (Domestic Violence Intervention) we have probably just crossed paths... BTW, that woman's Crisis group, Knew how important Our Work was, and How Much Mike was the perfect person to run those classes, to the tune of $25,000 grant, for Insurance and Bonding, building rental, until their own funding took off, steady like.

    Mike was of course a bit nervous... But as the Weeks of interaction, to set up the Court Mandated "Domestic Violence Intervention Class", he finally spoke to her... "I am ... And gave his DOC #" his Parole Officer broke down and cried... She gets like One & 1/2 Percent of her cases, that Never Return to the Joint.

    Mike would be eligible, for a ~Clearing~ of his record, if he so choose to go through it..... he has Dedicated his Life, to helping men, change, before they must do Hard Time... It is not easy to change in that manner.

    Mike helped me Change, and it was only After I passed the course, to become a trained facilitator, that I heard his Whole Story... Full trial, the verdict: agrevated homicide, under extenuating circumstances... IOW, the victim did ask for it... Did not back down, but that did not make Mike correct, in what took place... Ex-Girl Friends now dead new boyfriend is still wrong...

    My point in that long share, is Not all who Offend, Offend again, those few... Yes Few... Should be allowed to become what the Once Were, Free Men.

    philip
     
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    CoastRange57 Western Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    He is 57, so that is what the DA thought. He wanted to go to trial, because he thought he could get less. DA did not want to go to the expense trial, but wanted him to do some type of "life" sentence.

    If he only had to do 10 years for a second degree murder rap, I would think that he would get state parole in probably 6 or 7 for this. The 10 years Federal will be hard time after that, so that will keep him in until he is in his early 70's.
     
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    NoFlinch In a van down by the river Owner of Cocaine addicted dog.

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    I've worked with Felons in the past, but never a Fellon.

    I was involved, BRIEFLY, with a half way house here.

    Unfortunately, these Fellows, who were Felons, were not HONEST!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    :D:D:D:):):):s0107:
     
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    CoastRange57 Western Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    CoastRange57 Western Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    And then there are the ones who do reoffend and should be summarily executed at first chance.


    "On Saturday December 27, Washington County Detectives arrested a Hillsboro man who was downloading child pornography while using free wifi at a local business. He has a previous conviction for the same type of crime.

    Detectives responsible for investigating these types of crimes monitor the internet for suspicious activity. Following investigatory leads, they began surveillance at a local Starbucks. Through their investigation, detectives identified the suspect as Robert Dietz, 59 of Hillsboro. After identifying Mr. Dietz, detectives developed probable cause to arrest him for downloading child pornography.

    At 9:00 a.m. Saturday morning, detectives with the Washington County Sheriff's Office arrested Robert Dietz as he was attempting to download additional child pornography while utilizing free wifi at a Hillsboro Starbucks. The lead detective in this case arrested Mr. Dietz for similar crimes in 2009.

    He has been lodged in the Washington County Jail on charges of Encouraging Child Sex Abuse I x 2 and Parole Violation."
     
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  20. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    The idea that Felon=violent bad guy is wide spread, pervasive and in many cases true. That does not mean that they all are.

    I know a guy who did 10 years in the state pen for killing his wife. Bad guy right? He and his wife who he loved dearly where out for a ride on his motorcycle. He was going to fast and showing off and lost control, she died in the wreck. He was sentenced to and did 10 years for negligent homicide.

    In many states attempted suicide is a felony. I also knew a guy who stuck a SKS in his mouth and blew half of his face off, State of Idaho made him a felon and sent him to prison for his troubles.

    In some states using a duplicate copy of a computer program that you did not pay for is a felony.

    Unlawful use of a trademark, Felony

    Betting on a sports game, A Felony in some states

    Possession of certain gaming/gambling equipment such as a roulette wheel is in some states is a felony

    Its a felony to make a unauthorized copy of a song, even for personal use.

    In New York you can be charged with a felony for using obscenitys

    The silliest one of all? Its a felony to "jailbreak" your smart phone Fine is up to $500,000 and 5 years in prison.

    Point is saying "screw those guys, they get what they deserve" Well, in some cases they did not do much more than anything the next guy did. They just got caught or made and example of.


    Violent felony? Yes, I agree they should never be given any rights back. Repeat offender? Same deal.
     
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