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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by rufus, Jan 19, 2012.

  1. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    Released Inmate Shot Dead During Redding, CA Home Invasion

    Way to go lady. :thumbup:
     
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  2. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    Makes you wonder about the officials that release these people. Maybe they should be held responsible for the prisoner's actions once back into society, just might make them think twice before setting them free. Don't have enough room in the prisons? Well then, bring back capital punishment and make room. Don't just release these animals back into the general population. At the very least let the people arm themselves, without having to wait ten days, so they can take care of the problem(s) themselves.
     
  3. Ironbar

    Ironbar Tigard, OR Well-Known Member

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    One less scumbag. Good for her.
     
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  4. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    Warning, this is almost a trolling reply. I don't mean it that way, I just want to comment.

    So, reports like this make me happy and sad.

    Happy (well not happy at the loss of life but you know what I mean) because someone was able to defend their self from a would be attacker. Yeah for grandma who basically who correctly defended herself and for the legal system to recognize that fact that you don't have to run away when your life, rights, property are being violated. Excellent!

    Sad because our Criminal System is just failing left and right. And no, I do not mean Criminal & Justice System because lately I don't see any Justice, I just see a Criminal system. OK, so this person was released because they were deemed low risk. But released to what? This could be a person who has no other skills, no other training, no other hope or options in life but to turn to what they know and have been trained to do. Yes, yes they could be some scum bag who always made the wrong choice and just wanted their next fix. But the country I want to live in looks at criminals not just as a waste of space but as an opportunity to really rehabilitate and make productive member of society. Doesn't it make more sense to work hard at rehabilitating people into productive tax paying members of society, rather than paying for them to sit in prison?

    It just seems that right now the criminal system is designed to only do one thing, make better criminals. Not reform people who made mistakes into productive members of society. Shouldn't we be judged by our ability to make better a citizen and not better a criminal? I mean if the US Senate and House can almost function filled with drunks, drug addicts, cheats and liars can't we teach non-elected people to be as equally as productive? I'm not setting the bar very high here.
     
  5. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    No I don't think we need to spend billions reforming guys like Jesse.

    We have this thing called free will. She fired warning shots. Do you want to teach him that climbing into a window of an armed homeowner is a bad idea?

    He committed suicide by granny.

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  6. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    Yes, he was a moron and maybe even a class A scumbag. The question I'm trying to pose, is wouldn't you rather have your tax money spent on trying to reform someone rather than just hold someone in a cell. I agree some (many?) people are beyond recovery. Though if we focused more on first even second offenders and trying to rehabilitate them, maybe it would prove overall cheaper than just tossing them out on their own over and over until they are locked away on our dime forever.

    OK, this is one of the funniest things I've read in a while!
     
  7. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    Maybe he should have been placed in one of THESE fine rehabilitation centers. The problem is, they are full of inmates on death row because nobody wants capital punishment anymore. They either need to start knocking off the death row folks off or start building even more prisons. They cannot keep releasing dangerous inmates into society without accountability.
     
  8. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    She was attacked by the Geico Caveman.

    Just think what would have happened to her if she had not been armed? Of course the news will never pursue that angle.

    For every convict that does something like this there are many who actually do try to become good citizens. There, I said it.
     
  9. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    I have no issue with the death penalty. If someone gets to that point, fine take a hike you are done. The problem I have is that most prisons aren't used to rehabilitate people they are used to store them. Out of sight, out of mind. Well it isn't out of my mind because I know my tax money go to housing them.

    I can see both sides, I would just rather try to actually rehabilitate people rather than just store them like animals then expect them to act differently when we put them back in society.

    Note Edits were to correct my horrible grammar and spelling!
     
  10. PhantomWorks

    PhantomWorks Seattle WA Active Member

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    THAT'S funny!
     
  11. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    15 minutes at a gun store can save you from this guy. Don't forget bullets.
     
  12. Blue Devil PA

    Blue Devil PA Boise Active Member

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    What about using these convicts as workers? Dont they still make license plates? What about chain gangs working in a quarry. Extras in a war movies that uses live ammo?
     
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  13. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    Put them to work building prisons.
     
  14. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    AB SO bubblegumING LUTELY NOT It just doesn't work on the most part.

    What we need to do is to stop the welfare system that makes it OK to have babies that you have no intention of caring for.
    No reform needed of the criminals,we need to do something about the children with no direction but a crack ho for a mom.
    STOP MAKING CRIMINALS
    Maybe birth control before you can get chu welfare check. A shot,not the pill.

    Or every few years,give the prisons an enema.
     
  15. Hardwood floor guy

    Hardwood floor guy Beaverton Active Member

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    what i dont understand is the communist state of california allowed her to shoot him without charges.
    nobody should ever be convicted for defending their castle but this is california.
    but in oregon you must feel threatened for your life to shoot or leave your home?
    is this just because she was a woman or what?i dont understand because i hear of men being charged for defending their property if the guy dont have a weapon of some sort.im always happy to hear the gun owner win the battle but im trying to imagine what would happen if one of us guys shot someone coming through the window as his only offense.
     
  16. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Thing to remember is all the weapons you have in your home.

    Non firearm weapons.

    Just meander around the house a look at all the thing you wouldn't want to get hit with.
    Start with the kitchen.
    Did he go to the kitchen?
    Oh you didn't see weather he did or not?So you don't know if he is armed or not.
    For your own safety and that of your family's ,you must assume he is.

    I have knives,bayonets,shovels(outside),hammers,heavy pots and pans,scissors,screw drivers,cords for choking and probably many other implements of death lying around the house.
     
  17. Swedish K

    Swedish K SW Washington Moderator Staff Member

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    Most likely she was not charged because its an election year for the local prosecutor and sheriff. The last thing they want is to be voted out of office because of attention focused on poor justice practices.

    I worked for Corrections in California for 15 years and last I heard the feds are forcing CA to release somewhere in the neighborhood of 24,000 inmates due to "overcrowding". I'm not saying that the prisons aren't overcrowded, but the funny thing is they are forcing the release of minimum security inmates. There isn't an overcrowding issue in "minimum security". The funny thing is that they will release the inmates as required by the feds and the level 3 and 4 inmates will continue to be just as overcrowded as they were before.

    The idea of rehabilitation was being pushed fairly hard and given a ton of lip service by the politicians. It was interesting watching the politicians vote for more rehabilitation measures only to turn around and vote against the funding bill that paid for the programs. There were several "rehabilitation facilities" in the works in CA that were focused on first time offenders - they would be housed in these facilities in/near their home county the last year or so and be given additional job skills training, training on re entering society, even allowed to go to on (supervised) job interviews in the last month or so before parole. Last I heard Governor Moonbeam got back in office and all of the funds that were slated for "new prison projects" were redirected.

    Oh - yes inmates in CA at Folsom still make license plates.
     
  18. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    The feds, I am not surprised. Everything the feds do is as screwed-up as humanly possible, with zero accountability. The less they do the better off everyone is.