Dangerous escalation between China and Japan

[3MTA3]

The difference today is :
Japan is now an ally.
China is NOT.

Who would have believed that possible 72 years ago tomorrow and that it would have happened so quickly?

 

[Burt Gummer]

Not a fatalist, just a realist. A realist that doesn't discard facts and truth because the message is uncomfortable.

Elections will make ZERO difference since our Presidents are NOT elected they are selected by our Oligarchs and their media to serve their own agendas.

International Bankers own and control the corporation otherwise known as the United States of America.

A POTUS has not made any important decisions (on his own) in 50 years. They are cardboard standees only. Your pride says otherwise. You want to believe you have a say via your 'vote'. But you do not.

Being worked up and angry at Obummer is like being mad at the paperboy for the headline you see on the Oregonian. Yes, he's a paid actor. That is all.

That said ...

US-Japanese Militarism and China?s Air-Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) over Disputed Islets. Pretext for Another Pacific War? | Global Research

 

[Sstrand]

Offered the "right" deal the Japs would change sides in a heartbeat. China is a
lot closer geographically and they will come to understand they can't depend on the U S.

Sheldon

 

[cookie]

I am sure our military is a laughing stock in the eyes of the Chinese.

 

[gaijinsamurai]

I find it interesting Japan who was sneaky and lied and then killed thousands of our boys gets away in history with honor, yet we are told to forget what occurred, and even are called racist if we show disdainment today towards the Japanese. Yet we are also told we must feel bad and apologies for locking up the Japanese during ww2 in internment camps.
I would like to see where Japan has ever issued a public apology for what they did to us and China.
America does some bad things and it is often because we end up helping other who will tell us to F-off later. Like France is a prime example of how they treat America like dirt yet if not for us they would be speaking German.

Guess I am from the old school or you reap what you sow. Japan should have worked hard to be friends with Japan and made restitution to them as well. And we should be getting huge trade benefits from Japan, instead Japan owns 1/4 of American businesses. In waht was called in the 1980's the electronic Pearl Harbor.

I guess I get tired of handing our money to countries who never pay us back, so we forgive loans, I am tired of places like Japan crying when people do to them what they did to others. Germany paid a massive price for Hitlers crimes. Where was Japans price ever paid to anyone ?

I think Japan needs to make things right with China and stop their arrogance.

List of war apology statements issued by Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, you are aware those were JAPANESE-AMERICANS who were interned, right?

 

[gaijinsamurai]

I am sure the Chinese haven't forgot the kindness Japan has shown them during WWII

True, and I can't blame the Chinese (or the Koreans, Filipinos, or other peoples occupied and brutalized by the Japanese), but China's conduct in Tibet make them out to be hypocrites.

 

[ATCclears]

Now South Korea jumps into the pool...

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Peter

 

[2506]

Not a fatalist, just a realist. A realist that doesn't discard facts and truth because the message is uncomfortable.

Elections will make ZERO difference since our Presidents are NOT elected they are selected by our Oligarchs and their media to serve their own agendas.

Cardboard standees is good, but I like to refer to the POTUS as an empty suit.
International Bankers own and control the corporation otherwise known as the United States of America.

A POTUS has not made any important decisions (on his own) in 50 years. They are cardboard standees only. Your pride says otherwise. You want to believe you have a say via your 'vote'. But you do not.

Being worked up and angry at Obummer is like being mad at the paperboy for the headline you see on the Oregonian. Yes, he's a paid actor. That is all.

That said ...

US-Japanese Militarism and China?s Air-Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) over Disputed Islets. Pretext for Another Pacific War? | Global Research

Cardboard standee is good, but I like to refer to the POTUS as an empty suit.

 

[gaijinsamurai]

Offered the "right" deal the Japs would change sides in a heartbeat. China is a
lot closer geographically and they will come to understand they can't depend on the U S.

Sheldon

I highly doubt that. Animosity between the Chinese and Japanese has run deep for generations. Most Japanese feel some gratitude towards the US for not treating them like they treated those who they conquored, and feel closer cultural ties with the West than their Asian neighbors, in many respects.

 

[U201491]

True, and I can't blame the Chinese (or the Koreans, Filipinos, or other peoples occupied and brutalized by the Japanese), but China's conduct in Tibet make them out to be hypocrites.

 

[Burt Gummer]

Is War With China Inevitable?

 

[ATCclears]

Chinese Naval Vessel Tries to Force U.S. Warship to Stop in International Waters | Washington Free Beacon

 

[ATCclears]

» China Set to Seize South China Sea Island by Force Alex Jones&#039; Infowars: There&#039;s a war on for your mind!

 

[Sstrand]

They can't do that . . . It would make the emperor cry and ruin his round of golf . . .

Sheldon

 

[Burt Gummer]

Nice to know China can deliver a nuke just about anywhere lickety split! A missile can make it here all the way from China in an hour.

http://rt.com/news/hypersonic-vehicle-missile-china-665/

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Ah that dumb old white guy who was our first president, and his farewell address

Observe good faith and justice towards all Nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and Morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it? It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and, at no distant period, a great Nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt, that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages, which might be lost by a steady adherence to it? Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a Nation with its Virtue? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential, than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular Nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The Nation, which indulges towards another an habitual hatred, or an habitual fondness, is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The Nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the Government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The Government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times, it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of Nations has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one Nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite Nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest, in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter, without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite Nation of privileges denied to others, which is apt doubly to injure the Nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained; and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens, (who devote themselves to the favorite nation,) facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the Public Councils! Such an attachment of a small or weak, towards a great and powerful nation, dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens,) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation, and excessive dislike of another, cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favorite, are liable to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.

 

[JackThompson]

Interesting use of words in this article.

Chinese Naval Vessel tries to force US Warship to stop in international waters

According to the officials, the Cowpens was conducting a routine operation done to exercise its freedom of navigation near the Chinese carrier when the incident occurred about a week ago.

So.... you have to Exercise your freedom? Sounds like someone understands the Constitution, they just don't like it when Citizens do the same.

 

[Sstrand]

Did they interrupt the emperor's golf game to notify him???

Sheldon