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Court: Second Amendment also covers those in US illegally

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by RicInOR, Aug 25, 2015.

  1. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    "The 7th Circuit panel, however, ruled unanimously Thursday that the term "the people" in the Second Amendment's guarantee that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed also applies to those in the country illegally. The ruling, which applies in Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin, conflicts with opinions from three other federal appellate courts in recent years that found the Second Amendment doesn't apply to people in the country illegally."
  2. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Bought and paid for judges, they have no idea of what the real world is about just their corrupt lives!!!:mad::mad:
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  3. albin25

    albin25 Lewiston Idaho Well-Known Member

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    They probably just decided that it wpuld just be too difficult and expensive to track down all the Illegals to take the guns they already have away...
    ....just like it would be they think it would be too hard to kick their azzes back over the border.
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  4. 308

    308 ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Platinum Supporter Silver Supporter

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    I believe our founding fathers made it clear that our rights are not man-given and not man-taken-away.
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  5. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Words from Charlie Daniels.

    I am a proud American who believes that America has held – and still holds – a very sensitive and special place in the affairs of mankind on Planet Earth. I believe that America has been divinely blessed and protected in our two centuries plus of existence.
    I believe that America has been a counter balance that has cancelled out a lot of tyranny, evil and conquest, and admittedly, we have made a lot of mistakes. But on balance we have exerted a certain Pax Americana in the international affairs of mankind.
    It took a lot of old fashioned guts for the Continental Congress to stand up to the world's mightiest military and tell them that we demanded our independence, even at the peril of going up against a far superior force on land and sea, and with only a ragtag army of untrained citizens, many of whom had to supply their own firearms.
    It took courage above and beyond for Abraham Lincoln to push the country into a Civil War that he knew beyond a shadow of a doubt would divide this nation for decades.
    It took guts to give the order for American troops to storm the beaches of Normandy on D-Day, straight into the face of artillery and machine gunfire, wave after wave being cut to ribbons by German shore emplacements.
    The history of this nation is written in the blood and courage of men who stood in the face of overwhelming odds – politicians, soldiers, statesmen and ordinary citizens who sought to do the right thing regardless of the cost or the consequences.
    Well, ladies and gentlemen of the United States Congress, it seems that that particular pen has run out of ink. The courageous politicians that once championed this nation have been replaced, for the most part, by a breed of milksop, politically correct, scared of their own shadow, pushover, pathetic excuses for public servants who are supposed to be representing a constituency of citizens who have to live with the circumstances of their timid folly.
    You don't even have the courage to face down an out of control president, even when he makes a deal with the devil. Don't you bunch of timid capons even care what kind of world you're leaving to your children and grandchildren, not to even mention the rest of us? Are you really party partisans before your parents and grandparents or even human beings?
    Be honest with yourselves a minute. Go into the bathroom and look in the mirror and ask the person you see this question: "Do I really believe that Iran will not use the money we're releasing to them to finance terrorists to kill Americans, and, when, not if, but when, the Iranians develop their nuclear device, will they really use it against America and Israel?"
    You can’t hide from the truthful answer to that question forever, an answer will be required of you one day.
    You have allowed Obama to tilt the Supreme Court so far to the left that they're little more than a shameful extension of the Executive Branch.
    You have talked for decades about the porous southern border but have done absolutely nothing about it.
    You have allowed cities in this nation to declare themselves sanctuary cities where they protect the worst of the worst criminal aliens, and American citizens are paying an awful price for your silence.
    You watch an impossible National Debt balloon completely out of control, knowing full well that a day of reckoning is coming that will seriously curtail the quality of life for coming generations.
    You allow corrupt government agencies like the IRS to run over the very people you are sworn to protect and allow the entitlement society to expand exponentially. All the while, you are actually entertaining the idea of raising taxes on those who still work and shoulder the burden.
    You compose a third of the constitutionally mandated ruling system,and you shirk your duty
    and allow this nation to move a little closer to the edge every day.
    Your ratings are in the single digits; your morals are in the gutter; your minds are on self-preservation; and somewhere along the way, you’ve traded your honor for political expediency.
    You've violated your oaths; you've betrayed your country; you've feathered your nests; and you've sat on your hands while an imperial president has rubbed your noses in the dirt time after time.
    You're no longer men. You're puppets, caricatures, jokes, a gaggle of fading prostitutes for sale to anybody who can do you a political favor.
    “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”
    What do you think?
    Pray for our troops and the peace of Jerusalem.
    God Bless America
    Charlie Daniels
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  6. elsie

    elsie Way over there on the left Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately the court also sent mixed messages, so it will probably end up with the Supremes.

    Another part of the decision was that the conviction of the original person was OK.

    "But the panel upheld Meza-Rodriguez's conviction, saying the federal ban on people in the country illegally possessing weapons remains valid. Wood wrote that the right to bear arms isn't unlimited and the government has a strong interest in preventing people who have already broken the law by coming to the country illegally from carrying guns."

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  7. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    When laws and judgements are based off of court rulings/opinion pieces and not The Constitution what do you expect?
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  8. scrandall01215

    scrandall01215 Washougal,WA Well-Known Member

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    Well said Edslhead well said!
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  9. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Well said Edslhead well said!

    Not me, that was from Charlie Daniels.
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  10. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    All people have the same rights.

    There seems to be two schools of thought when it comes to Natural Rights:

    1) Those rights only exist because a government says they do.

    2) Those rights exist regardless of what the government or majority says, and they exist for everybody, no matter who they are or where they are.

    So yes, every person, everywhere on the planet has the right to keep and bear arms. That is what the Declaration of Independence said:

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights".

    The US Constitution enumerates some of those Natural Rights. We don't have those rights because they are on a piece of paper, they are on that piece of paper because we were born with them - hence the nomenclature "Natural Right", i.e., we come by them as part of our "nature".

    So in this case, I agree with the court (without reading the opinion); everybody has the right to keep and bear arms.
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