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Conceal Carry at County fairs

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by circlepranch, Aug 2, 2014.

  1. circlepranch

    circlepranch Battle Ground Wa Active Member

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    With all the county fairs kicking off can you legally carry at these venues? Clark County has a no Weapons or Alcohol listed on their web site. seems like a good topic to talk about.
     
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  2. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    No law, no problem.

    My only caveat is that if you do carry at a venue like this...be careful. I'm not just talking about printing or safe carrying, but be careful if you ever use force. There are cops EVERYWHERE in events like this and a lot of Joe Blow citizens. If you do pull out a gun, you might be seen as the bad guy...also, when I carry at events like this I usually carry MagSafe bullets just to limit the possibility of collateral damage (with a spare mag being a standard loadout).

    *edit*

    Lastly if you do plan on drinking, then leave your gun in the car or at home. Also, if you plan on going on any of the rides, holster up appropriately!
     
  3. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I had a good laugh at the Washington county fair when they were searching my wife's purse at the entrance but completely ignored me who was armed. Though she was not carrying, they didnt look in the part of the purse where she normally conceal carries. So basically a completely useless search. Good job guys!

    I didnt see any signs saying no weapons.

    Honestly, given how packed that place was if something bad went down I would be glad I was carrying instead of packing around a whole BBQ turkey leg like everyone else.
     
  4. TheHumungus

    TheHumungus Portland Active Member

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    I had called the Washington County Fair folks last year and specifically asked about their CCW rules. They told me there were no rules prohibiting legal concealed carry weapons at the county fair, and I was welcome to carry. I appreciated their positive approach to law abiding citizens.
     
  5. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    According to the Washington State Fair website (aka "Puyallup Fair")
    :cool:
     
  6. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    As a guy that worked security- your goal for events like that isn't to make people feel uncomfortable, it's to deter people from brining in unauthorized items. I used to work at a bar and they wanted everyone patted down before entry...I was sixteen and conducted pat searches outside of bars. We found drugs and all manor of weapons...the focus there was for people to actually be safe.

    County fair? The focus there is for people to feel safe and to remove people that don't follow the rules. Get the difference?

    It can be argued that you should never do anything halfway...either you actively look for weapons and dangerious items or you don't. Nevertheless, venues (like the fair) tend to make an example of the guy tearing through a woman's purse and stroller...it's a "look but don't look" policy.

    Again though...it's illegal to carry a gun in a bar or have drugs...it's not illegal to have a gun or a knife on you at the county fair (regardless of any fair "policy").

    If you care about a sign that says "no weapons" then great! Good for you! Just note that anything can be used as a weapon. A cane, a metal pen, steel-toed boots...heck a hand covered in rings is a weapon. Is anything stopping people from carrying those? Nope.


    A gun is a tool. A dangerious tool (like a chainsaw), but a tool none the less. Can you kill someone with it? Yes, you sure can. But I can also kill someone with a chainsaw...


    Always carry. That's my motto and that's what I will always teach.

    Be proficient.
    Be alert.
    Be fit.
    Be polite.
    Leave ego, arrogance and pride in your gun safe.
    Be prepared to kill any deadly threat.
     
  7. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    < Why they don't have school shootings in Israel.
    Notice the long gun slung over the teachers shoulder?

    Under WA law the sign has no force of law other than, IF you are "made" AND they ask you to leave AND you refuse they can then charge you with trespassing. Now, in a bar in WA it is illegal to carry, concealed or otherwise even with a CPL.

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  8. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Sorry Riot, my gun safe is too small to hold all my ego, arrogance and pride. LOL!
     
  9. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    If it's legal, I'm carrying.

    End of story.
     
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  10. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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    The Walla Walla Washington County Fair at the public fairgrounds also was a No Firearms sign. Last year I called the Walla Walla Sheriff's Department and asked if that applied to licensed concealed carry. I was told no firearms and if found when searched we would be denied entry.
     
  11. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I treat it the same as a store with a no weapons sign - I carry anyway - it's for my own protection and the protection of my family, and since they don't provide that protection for me, I continue to carry. The only exception I make to carrying are in places (such as courthouses) where it is illegal to carry. Now, if they're doing a pat-down or using a metal detector, I may re-think that plan, but that hasn't yet happened. I've carried to the county fair for years with no issues.

    As to the comment above by Riot - I agree - it's crowded, and using your gun in defense presents a greater potential danger to others if you use it - but of course that could be said for many different public venues. You need to be very aware of who and what is around you if you draw your gun. My personal defense plan is always to escape/shelter first, which probably wouldn't be particularly difficult in a place like a fair - so many people going so many directions, disappearing from a threat would likely be easier than in a small office with limit exit routes. I would likely only ever pull my gun if we found ourselves cornered and confronted with no other means of escape. At least the police are very visible and out in force, so it makes the likelihood of an attack at a place like a fair very small. That, and you have the benefit of a very quick police response.
     
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  12. Jerry

    Jerry Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    There is no prohibition in Chpt. 9.41 RCW to concealed carry at county fairs. The state RCW pre-empts local rules. Counties, cities and towns cannot prohibit the carrying of firearms.

    Policy is not law.
     
  13. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Yup, rules are not laws...

    I'd rather be asked to leave on the very slim chance I was found out on a pat down.

    Most likely I could play it off as if I had forgoted and then have the chance to decide to go out and put it in the car safe or just leave the venue.
     
  14. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Not legal under WA law, they need to read the statutes and abide by them.
     
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  15. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Well after what happened in Milwaukee last year? or 2 years ago,I would definitely carry to the fairs
    Up here? Maybe,maybe not.
    Anywhere past the HCB?
    Of course
     
  16. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Keep in mind The Washington State Fair is a private, non-profit organization which exists for only one reason, and that is to please the Fairgoer. The Fair puts smiles on people's faces, it educates people of all ages, and most of all, it creates memories for everyone.

    SO at those fair grounds they make the rules.
     
  17. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Isn't it held on state property/land?
     
  18. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Idk about the Washington state fair, but the Clark county fair is not on state property and the absolute worst that can happen too you is that they ask you to leave.

    Haven't been in years though. It's over priced, smells, hard to park and it's the same vendors year after year after year.

    That's all coming from a county boy so don't get to thinking I only like city stuff;).
     
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  19. ak56

    ak56 Carnation, Wa Active Member

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    Nope. The Washington State Fair (aka Puyallup Fair) association owns the land.
     
  20. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Hey, if you've seen one pair a pig balls, you've seen them all.
    Hey, I did a "Si".. again. lol
     
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