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Your point brings up a great question JG. One that I believe needs to be addressed, with regard to Chicago felons having their gun rights restored.If you are a felon you give many of your rights away - I support this. No one made you a felon and since the old guy had two prior weapons convictions - sorry but his inability to have a firearm rests directly on his shoulders. This is the law - not my law but as long as it is the law I will support it.
James Ruby
If you are a felon you give many of your rights away - I support this. No one made you a felon and since the old guy had two prior weapons convictions - sorry but his inability to have a firearm rests directly on his shoulders. This is the law - not my law but as long as it is the law I will support it.
James Ruby
Unfortunately it's all too easy for the average law abiding citizen to get a weapons conviction in Chicago. Especially, a black man that owns a bar. The deck is stacked against him.
This is an example of how tolerance of gun law encroachment ultimately hurts the "average law abiding citizen".
Don't get me wrong, I believe convicted violent felons should lose their gun rights forever, along with their right to vote.
Unfortunately it's all too easy for the average law abiding citizen to get a weapons conviction in Chicago. Especially, a black man that owns a bar. The deck is stacked against him.
This is an example of how tolerance of gun law encroachment ultimately hurts the "average law abiding citizen".
Why are you bringing the race card into the discussion?
Why is that?? Once someone has paid there debt to society , they should be at 0, they shouldn't have to be continually paying the same old debt over and over. ( save for the 3 strikes law, at that point they will never learn.)
So what is an 80 year old man going to do to stop a 20-30 year old man?Some punk stealing the stereo from your car or living room does not hold to that standard. I know most on this board will disagree, but it doesn't change the law- the perpetrator must have the ability, opportunity, and immediate jeopardy to cause you or others grievous bodily harm or death to justifiably employ deadly force.
WRONG - IMHO - you do not set things straight just because you get out of jail or do your time -the felon did wrong
So for one felony they should only lose 1/3rd of their rightsWhy is that?? Once someone has paid there debt to society , they should be at 0, they shouldn't have to be continually paying the same old debt over and over. ( save for the 3 strikes law, at that point they will never learn.)
So after a guy has paid his debt, you still want to punish him more? People do screw up once in awhile. And no I am not and was not and never been related to a felon.
So why even release them in the first place? First offense straight to the gas chamber.
So what is an 80 year old man going to do to stop a 20-30 year old man?
Stand in his way?
Shake his finger at him?
Holler?
Call 9-1-1? (yeah right)
The old man has the right to stop the burglar from taking his stuff. It doesn't matter what it is, but in this case, it's the old man's livelihood. He owns the bar/tavern, so in this case the burglary has a direct effect on his standard of living.
It would be the same if the burglar was taking a carpenter's tools, or a bookkeeper's computers, or a seamstress' sewing machine etc.
How hard would you try to stop someone from taking your income source?
Now factor in being 80 years old.
The potential for an extreme disparity of force is easily realized in when dealing with a young person in their prime, but is a slam dunk in this case.
Or are you advocating the old man step aside and just allow the punk to take his livelihood/rent/next months food?
And if you are,...
What are you doing here?
So, a burglar breaks into your place of business, which has been broken into multiple times. Each time they take the goods that provide you with the means to pay your heat bill, food bill, rent etc.
So you either lose the revenue, or pay out more to replace them.
The police have told you they don't have the manpower to camp out on your street to stop the perp(s).
You are an 80 year old man and have no way to stop the perp from stealing your means of support.
What do you do?
Let them continue?
Just give up?
Go out of business?
File an insurance claim and pay increased premiums?
When you catch a perp just after he climbs through your window, you have no way to know why he's there. It might be for your stereo, blu-ray, booze etc.
But it might also be to rape your wife, kids etc.
He may be there to kill you.
If he turns and runs for the window to get back out, no, you don't have the right to shoot him in the back.
But if he approaches you, you have no way to know his intent.
You are armed, as is your right.
I don't know about you, but I'm not going to give him the gun. Even though, heck, the gun can be replaced!! (at least according to your line of thinking)
But I can give him the bullets, and I'm afraid that's how it would go down.
The bottom line is, unless he's wearing a sign that says: "I'm only here for your stereo," I have no way of knowing why he's there, and will defend my life and property as I see fit.
And I believe you are wrong. It seems to me someone successfully defended their property with deadly force in Oregon a few years back.