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The dumbing down of society and PC redefinition of words in action. This is why they have gone so hard after public education. This is why governor Brown-stain has passed laws that competency testing is no longer required for graduation. If people don't understand anything, they will fall for everything. We have gone from a rich and complete understanding of the English language, to a two-word vocabulary: "Hulk. Smash!"Explain what you mean.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Because if a person understands the historical context of the word "regulated," it would mean "uniform, in proper working order, efficient and capable of performing its duties."
What they were saying was to the effect in laymen's terms, "How can we have a proper working militia if the right of the people to keep and bear arms can be infringed upon by the government, therefore, the government can't do that."
A person would either have to be agenda driven and bias, or not thoroughly adept in English, or history to make the argument that the founding fathers who literally just fought a war for independence from a tyrannical government, would say in the bill of rights that a government has the right to dictate how Americans can keep and bear arms.
That's all well and good except for the concept of possessing the means and the ability and right to defend oneself was considered a right well before the American bill of rights.The verbiage of the 2nd amendment was developed by the anti federalists and was interpreted by the supreme courts until relatively recently to the extent that it guarantees the right of "the people" to raise and equip and deploy militias based upon the first clause both to protect themselves from outside invasion and as a means of protection from their own government. The founding fathers were very sensitive to standing armies and felt citizen militias were more inline with their philosophy of how the citizenry would protect their own lands and themselves from a central government. The "individual right" to self defense concept didnt come about until much later some would argue it didnt really get ensconced into law until this century. I feel they ( the government) would MUCH rather have the concentration upon an individual right than on the right of the citizens to regulate their own militia.
This is incorrect. As most people know, the challenges come at the lower levels and that is the law unless and until the United States Supreme Court weighs in. Let's examine the facts:The verbiage of the 2nd amendment was developed by the anti federalists and was interpreted by the supreme courts until relatively recently to the extent that it guarantees the right of "the people" to raise and equip and deploy militias based upon the first clause both to protect themselves from outside invasion and as a means of protection from their own government. The founding fathers were very sensitive to standing armies and felt citizen militias were more inline with their philosophy of how the citizenry would protect their own lands and themselves from a central government. The "individual right" to self defense concept didnt come about until much later some would argue it didnt really get ensconced into law until this century. I feel they ( the government) would MUCH rather have the concentration upon an individual right than on the right of the citizens to regulate their own militia.
No, It wouldnt. Thats a serious reach. Its up there with handing your gun to someone at the range is a transfer. Its not. The trigger parts may be in a drop in pack but that pack is contained in the lower . .This reg would ensnare drop in trigger groups used in most semi auto 22s, Sig pistols and nearly every shotgun
So a custom trigger pack for a 10-22 wouldn't fall in the definition? I feel the way this ATF proposal is going, it will be an easy regulatory jump for Ruger 10-22s.No, It wouldnt. Thats a serious reach. Its up there with handing your gun to someone at the range is a transfer. Its not. The trigger parts may be in a drop in pack but that pack is contained in the lower . .
No. The frame receives the trigger pack. The fact that the trigger is in a cartridge does not make it a frame or lower.So a custom trigger pack for a 10-22 wouldn't fall in the definition? I feel the way this ATF proposal is going, it will be an easy regulatory jump for Ruger 10-22s.
A sig 320 custom trigger pack will most definitely be included. The custom trigger packs assemblies drop into lower frame. This proposal would require SNs on both the slide and frame on Semi Auto handguns.
How do you explain Rare Breed Trigger and their current fight?No. The frame receives the trigger pack. The fact that the trigger is in a cartridge does not make it a frame or lower.
It's more about the mechanics of the trigger and less that it's a drop in trigger. Still an overreach.How do you explain Rare Breed Trigger and their current fight?
The ATF calls the trigger pack a machinegun conversion unit same as a drop in auto sear. It has nothing at all to do with the subject of this thread.How do you explain Rare Breed Trigger and their current fight?
I saw him repeatedly pull the trigger really fast.The ATF calls the trigger pack a machinegun conversion unit same as a drop in auto sear. It has nothing at all to do with the subject of this thread.
I dont know where they got that idea?
The OP was changed to a parts discussion. The attorney for Rare Breed explains on their website why the trigger complies with the law. It's not over-reach. It is is perversion of the law and an attempt to legislated from regulatory agencies. H.R. 3960 would stop that kind of crap.It's more about the mechanics of the trigger and less that it's a drop in trigger. Still an overreach.
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You inserted the parts discussion.The ATF calls the trigger pack a machinegun conversion unit same as a drop in auto sear. It has nothing at all to do with the subject of this thread.
I dont know where they got that idea?
It seems far from clear if that's what you are presuming. . Clearly they are referencing the lower receiver as the part that holds the trigger not the cassette that drops into the lower receiver. That's such a reach its laughable.This thread is about parts and how the ATF/DOJ wants to redefine what parts can be classified as a firearm. Essentially any part that houses a trigger, bolt, firing pin, etc, could be classfied as a firearm under the proposed definition. This could include cassette style drop in triggers as the trigger housing could be the firearm. The AR bolt carrier houses the bolt and firing pin so the carrier could be classfied as a firearm. It depends on how far the ATF wants to go with it. As always, I am happy to be wrong but the proposed definition seems pretty clear to me.
The cassette provides housing or structure for the trigger. If the cassette is visible from the exterior of the complete assembled weapon it would meet the definition. The bolt carrier would also meet the definition. The upper receiver would also meet the definition. Maybe you will be right to assume they will only use this proposed definition to address 100% machined AR lower receivers but I believe they will take it much farther.It seems far from clear if that's what you are presuming. . Clearly they are referencing the lower receiver as the part that holds the trigger not the cassette that drops into the lower receiver. That's such a reach its laughable.