"Assault weapon" ban officially drops in Olympia!

[TTSX]

Hey. No! We're not done with 114 yet. Get back in line and wait your turn, @arakboss hasn't started a new thread yet

 

[ActionHero1980]

That does seem incredibly likely, doesn't it. Maybe not as a first step, but they certainly seem to be on the menu, don't they. That kind of legistation would certainly set the framework solidly in place for component regulation.

If you read section 2 of 5193, to me it looks to say the parts used to create an assault weapon (threaded barrels, muzzle devices, grips, etc) will all be redefined as assault weapons themselves. Hope I'm wrong

 

[ActionHero1980]

If this passes, things should get real fun next year. Background checks for ammo, registration, confiscation, not much left.

I'm just thankfull our right to keep and bear arms isn't being infringed. At least we have that

 

[Xaevian]

Yeah, you Montana guys are laughing now, but all it's gonna take for your state to sh1t the bed too is another 10,000 Californians moving in... We'll give you another couple years.

They only stay until their first winter, then they haul arse to western WA as fast as their rechargeable, rolling manginas can take them.

 

[Creamee]

They only stay until their first winter, then they haul arse to western WA as fast as their rechargeable, rolling manginas can take them.

The house I looked at in Bozeman is now like three million dollars and it couldn't have been more than 300k a decade ago. Someone's buying.

 

[Xaevian]

Maybe if more WA gun owners actually were active and participated instead of basement bishing online, you could actually get stuff like this defeated or never out of committee. Do you even know how many times they tried this crap and failed over the last 10-15 years? You know why these bills went nowhere? People took action.

Instead of panic buying, save up for a bus ticket to Oly when these bills come up for consideration and register some in-person testimony. Email your state reps. Enter a comments against the bills online.

Jeezuz, every GD year, the same moaning while doing nothing but hoping someone else or some 2A org will swoop in and do the work to save them.

The price of apathy is just some of your freedom. Choose well.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

can someone with an understanding of how these are worded outline what precisely I should be buying this month?

I'm not looking for "body armor" or "land in Idaho" tier answers.

Buy whatever you want.

 

[Xaevian]

The house I looked at in Bozeman is now like three million dollars and it couldn't have been more than 300k a decade ago. Someone's buying.

More like someone's selling...

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Maybe if more WA gun owners actually were active and participated instead of basement bishing online, you could actually get stuff like this defeated or never out of committee. Do you even know how many times they tried this crap and failed over the last 10-15 years? You know why these bills went nowhere? People took action.

Instead of panic buying, save up for a bus ticket to Oly when these bills come up for consideration and register some in-person testimony. Email your state reps. Enter a comments against the bills online.

Jeezuz, every GD year, the same moaning while doing nothing but hoping someone else or some 2A org will swoop in and do the work to save them.

The price of apathy is just some of your freedom. Choose well.

Well said. It happened in the past exactly like you said. On another thread I suggested action to contact legislators and everyone said it's a lost cause. With that attitude it definitely is a lost cause. I suggested they start donating to fight the legal fight if they believe that. I would not give up on the battle before it's even started but I don't live in WA anymore so it's up to you guys in WA.

 

[Xaevian]

Well said. It happened in the past exactly like you said. On another thread I suggested action to contact legislators and everyone said it's a lost cause. With that attitude it definitely is a lost cause. I suggested they start donating to fight the legal fight if they believe that. I would not give up on the battle before it's even started but I don't live in WA anymore so it's up to you guys in WA.

I don't live there anymore, either - along with many 2A activists like me. I witnessed firsthand the dwindling participation in the fight every year. The mag ban passed the following year after I left. Coincidence?

And Bozeman broke a low temp record around Christmas time...-45 degrees without wind chill. Brr! I'm a long ways from Boz Angeles though.

 

[Nosferatu]

The house I looked at in Bozeman is now like three million dollars and it couldn't have been more than 300k a decade ago. Someone's buying.

Bozeman is pretty much just Northeastern CA now anyway. Steer clear of that clusterflock.

 

[Creamee]

Maybe if more WA gun owners actually were active and participated instead of basement bishing online, you could actually get stuff like this defeated or never out of committee. Do you even know how many times they tried this crap and failed over the last 10-15 years? You know why these bills went nowhere? People took action.

Instead of panic buying, save up for a bus ticket to Oly when these bills come up for consideration and register some in-person testimony. Email your state reps. Enter a comments against the bills online.

Jeezuz, every GD year, the same moaning while doing nothing but hoping someone else or some 2A org will swoop in and do the work to save them.

The price of apathy is just some of your freedom. Choose well.

I've done all that.

We do all that.

It doesn't matter. This year I just stooped to threatening my reps with supporting primary candidates to their left, which I will gladly organize, fundraise, and go door to door for. I did it for 2A stuff and I did it for Bernie. At least some of them believe in arming ze verking klass.

It's these ivy-league lawyer types that hang out center left that really grind my gears.

 

[Nosferatu]

It's these ivy-league lawyer types that hang out center left that really grind my gears.

Soros and other money coming from out of state funding this nonsense grinds mine.

 

[GrayGoose]

I suggested they start donating to fight...

I think it's ultimately going to take more that just donating to fight an evil entity that has deep pockets.
I'm quite sure our Founding Fathers didn't have donating in mind when they drafted the Constitution. Just saying.

 

[Xaevian]

These bills used to never just sail through. They almost never even make it out of committee for a vote. I say used to, because 2020 was the last time I was there to witness and follow the process and I don't know what the following years were like. Here it is, 2023, and I still constantly get emails from WA politicians, political orgs, and parties all year long and I have been a registered MT voter since 2021.

It makes a huge difference to take those actions, and it is not hard to do. Anyone saying "don't bother" IS the problem.

 

[GWS]

Well said. It happened in the past exactly like you said. On another thread I suggested action to contact legislators and everyone said it's a lost cause. With that attitude it definitely is a lost cause. I suggested they start donating to fight the legal fight if they believe that. I would not give up on the battle before it's even started but I don't live in WA anymore so it's up to you guys in WA.

Agreed
I said this in a different thread and I'll say it again here. If people would give up 10% of their panic buying money and use it to support Pro-gun politicians and support pro gun lawsuits we could beat these ridiculous, unconstitutional laws and the people who push them.

 

[Creamee]

These bills used to never just sail through. They almost never even make it out of committee for a vote. I say used to, because 2020 was the last time I was there to witness and follow the process and I don't know what the following years were like. Here it is, 2023, and I still constantly get emails from WA politicians, political orgs, and parties all year long and I have been a registered MT voter since 2021.

It makes a huge difference to take those actions, and it is not hard to do. Anyone saying "don't bother" IS the problem.

I think part of the issue is trump appeared as such a polarizing figure, and mass social media made every local issue national, and every national issue local, that the generally moderate politicians could no longer stake positions in the middle without getting crushed by the bored loser brigade online.

My personal belief is that the democratic process is irreversibly broken, and that the only "deliverable" it provides is to annoy or harm the imagined political "other" to sort of bask in the schadenfreude.

Democrats had ample opportunity to offer a single payer healthcare solution, but didn't. you might think thats a bad idea, but the overwhelming majority of democrats support it when explained point by point. They can continually promise that and win on it, but then they can't deliver it because a) they're paid to spike the ball and B) then they can no longer run on it.

What they can deliver is annoying Uncle Scott at thanksgiving by neutering his rifle.

Conversely, a republican who runs on like not increasing the debt ceiling would never, once in congress, not raise the debt ceiling, but will tweet in support of some childless sixty year old at a school board meeting screaming about books with gay teenagers when the actual parents already gave their kids smartphones they use to stream 4K hardcore pornography on the morning bus ride. (My friend drove a school bus. The stories were insane.)

Just total nonsense all around.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I think it's ultimately going to take more that just donating to fight an evil entity that has deep pockets.
I'm quite sure our Founding Fathers didn't have donating in mind when they drafted the Constitution. Just saying.

What's the alternative? If people don't want to fight by contacting legislators, and unwilling to donate to the legal fight, then you just admit defeat?

Btw, we are kicking butt as a nation in the 2A cases in the courts.

 

[Creamee]

If people would give up 10% of their panic buying money and use it to support Pro-gun politicians and support pro gun lawsuits we could beat these ridiculous, unconstitutional laws and the people who push them.

I def do this and I hope you're right, man.

 

[Old Dog]

Btw, we are kicking butt as a nation in the 2A cases in the courts.

That certainly remains to be seen.

I remain amused by how some who now reside in Montana make their patronizing remarks to those of us remaining behind enemy lines. It's easy, in a state with a population of only a little over one million with nasty winters to boot, where far fewer folks conside migrating from California or other locales that have since become despoiled, to deride Washington gun owners as being weasels who let the incoming Californians and illegal immigrants take over while being too apathetic to vote for our rights.

Hubris.

Some of us here have worked our freakin' asses off trying to maintain our 2A rights. "Manginas?" Screw you.