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Generally, I think it's a movement towards removing or changing the legal precedent around what cops can and can not do with or without legal consequences.thats a good reminder video but the video (6:27) is against qualified immunity, whats the consensus on that?
End it!whats the consensus on that?
So if a cop gets sent to the wrong house to arrest someone, or if a cop has reasonable suspicion of a crime... But is wrong. What would protect him from liability while performing his duties?End it!
That there is the problem.So if a cop gets sent to the wrong house to arrest someone, or if a cop has reasonable suspicion of a crime... But is wrong. What would protect him from liability while performing his duties?
I see your point, but it's not like any of the cops would meet in a garage later to change the search warrant or anything to try and cover up their mistakes, right?So if a cop gets sent to the wrong house to arrest someone, or if a cop has reasonable suspicion of a crime... But is wrong. What would protect him from liability while performing his duties?
The problem with reasonableness is its subjective. As evident by the lack of police in liberal cities....So, an officer's reasonableness-which is considered based on the circumstances he faces in any given situation-already provides leeway in police interactions.
Doctors don't have qualified immunity and kill lots of people, yet we still have doctors. For example.The problem with reasonableness is its subjective. As evident by the lack of police in liberal cities....
Would you trust your being sent to the right house? Would you trust the 911 caller reporting "man with a gun" to be honest? Who here would want to be an officer without the protection of qualified immunity? Would you?
If the officer is given information they have no reason to not believe to be true they are acting reasonably, but that isn't what the QI argument is about. I could spend all day pulling up videos of "Real Life Police: Caught On Camera!!" videos far worse than the one in the OP, but instead I would point out that no one in the .gov involved in getting 114 on the books and passed can be prosecuted even if they are on tape saying they know the law is unconstitutional because of QI.The problem with reasonableness is its subjective. As evident by the lack of police in liberal cities....
Would you trust your being sent to the right house? Would you trust the 911 caller reporting "man with a gun" to be honest? Who here would want to be an officer without the protection of qualified immunity? Would you?
And they face lawsuits for it.Doctors don't have qualified immunity and kill lots of people, yet we still have doctors. For example.
I too wish for a responsibility free lifeAnd they face lawsuits for it.
what about all the officers in prison right now?I too wish for a responsibility free life
Search me, maybe send them a card? But also, what about the officers in the OP that were not only ready to arrest the guy "just because" but also very comfortable talking about it almost like they had done it before and didn't have to worry if their partner would be cool with it.what about all the officers in prison right now?
There are about 800000 officers in the US, roughly. Im not certain if there are any statistics on any that got away due to QI.Search me, maybe send them a card? But also, what about the officers in the OP that were not only ready to arrest the guy "just because" but also very comfortable talking about it almost like they had done it before and didn't have to worry if their partner would be cool with it.
Not to get into a Richard swing contest over this, but I have no doubt I can find more cases of officers that should be in jail that aren't because of QI, and far more people that are in jail that shouldn't be because a cop did something like those two were planning than cops in jail because they made an truly honest mistake.
In this case, your question was why would anyone be a cop without qualified immunity. My response is there are many, many professions that don't have qualified immunity, have to deal with the consequences of bad decisions even to the point of someone dying over it, but people still will do the job.And they face lawsuits for it.
I was in a similar boat. I blindly followed the path set out for gun owners, that we were supposed to be pro police. Like it's part of some package deal. Own guns, "Comgrats, here is your thin blue line T-shirt."There are about 800000 officers in the US, roughly. Im not certain if there are any statistics on any that got away due to QI.
Note: Im not supporting QI Im asking questions to learn more so I can form an opinion. Im undecided on the issue actually but I trust and respect your opinions here. I dunno about this Richard guy though...