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chemist- If you don't like the looks of or the name Hi-Point, just say so. Anyone that has been within a mile of their pistols knows that they are garbage. However, if reliable workings and a price tag under $300 doesn't constitute a value in your book, well, I don't want to read your book. If my math is correct(and it is), you can purchase 8 HP carbines fr the price of a Kriss or 6 for the price of an H&K. Since suppression is your point, by the time you are done with that you could have an HP in each caliber and piles of ammo. The Keltec is made perfectly for the 9mm and .40. The beefier HP is better suited for the .45(opinion). HP carbines are the best deal in all of firearms(fact). There is nothing wrong with appreciating more "high end" firearms, but when value and reliability are the question, a rose is still a rose. halmbarte-I have never heard of PC trigger issues. Were you able to get it loosened up? Those Uzi's look like fun.