Another mass shooter put down fast

[CamoDeafie]

"He who defines the terms wins the debate."

Here is a list of "mass" shootings I just found, as far as I can tell it uses the "3 or more people shot" criteria for calling an incident a "mass shooting" and from what I can tell the data proves you wrong, but maybe the issue is that shootings no longer captivate the news cycle like they once did, so news sources (some more than others) play up anything they can to generate 'clicks'

Mass Shootings in 2024 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...

www.gunviolencearchive.org

Active Shooter Incidents in the United States in 2022 | Federal Bureau of Investigation

The FBI has designated 50 shootings in 2022 as active shooter incidents. The FBI defines an active shooter as one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area.

www.fbi.gov

Contrast the above FBI data with this, same year. Clearly the FBI has a different set of definitions than the Gun Violence Archives.

Number of Deaths in 2022 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...

www.gunviolencearchive.org

 

[Certaindeaf]

"We live in a time where smart people are silenced so, stupid people won't be offended!"

It's like a clan..

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Something to consider when data is posted...

It is easy to prove oneself "right" or the other person "wrong".....
If the only data posted is all one sided or cherry picked to get the result one wants.
Andy

 

[CamoDeafie]

Something to consider when data is posted...

It is easy to prove oneself "right" or the other person "wrong".....
If the only data posted is all one sided or cherry picked to get the result one wants.
Andy

Indeed. Gun violence archives just says where "3 or more people are involved" and thats it.. they have also defined "school shootings" as any shooting within 1000ft of a school, regardless of time of day, where it happens (on campus, or just off campus on the streets? Doesn't matter if its under 1000ft from the school! Its a school shooting!)

 

[3MTA3]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lb6OpRfyLFo?feature=shared

I liked Karen much better when she had XX chromosomes.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Active Shooter Incidents in the United States in 2022 | Federal Bureau of Investigation

The FBI has designated 50 shootings in 2022 as active shooter incidents. The FBI defines an active shooter as one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area.

www.fbi.gov

Contrast the above FBI data with this, same year. Clearly the FBI has a different set of definitions than the Gun Violence Archives.

Number of Deaths in 2022 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...

www.gunviolencearchive.org

Meh. The one I posted was "mass shootings" the FBI one was "active shooters" using this definition:
The FBI defines an active shooter as one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area.

Not the same

 

[CamoDeafie]

Meh. The one I posted was "mass shootings" the FBI one was "active shooters" using this definition:
The FBI defines an active shooter as one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area.

Not the same

The FBI data also include incidents where more than 3 people killed= mass killing/shooting. Your link only says a mass shooting is when more than 3 people are involved. Looking at the incident casaulties lists, a lot have just 1 dead, 0 injuries, but because there were more than 3 people involved (shooter vs cops or shooters vs shooters or victims or....)

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Indeed. Gun violence archives just says where "3 or more people are involved" and thats it.. they have also defined "school shootings" as any shooting within 1000ft of a school, regardless of time of day, where it happens (on campus, or just off campus on the streets? Doesn't matter if its under 1000ft from the school! Its a school shooting!)

Where did you see that? This is what I found

Mass Shooting Methodology and Reasoning

Mass Shootings are, for the most part an American phenomenon.(No, they aren't and the "study" that said they were was deeply flawed) While they are generally grouped together as one type of incident they are several different types including public shootings, bar/club incidents, family annihilations, drive-by, workplace and those which defy description but with the established foundation definition being that they have a minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident. GVA also presents the count of Mass Murder which, like the FBI's definition is four or more victims, killed, not including the shooter. Mass Murder by gun is a subset of the Mass Shooting count.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/explainer

 

[Knobgoblin]

Something to consider when data is posted...

It is easy to prove oneself "right" or the other person "wrong".....
If the only data posted is all one sided or cherry picked to get the result one wants.
Andy

Andy riding herd on the Saturday school detention class again.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Indeed. Gun violence archives just says where "3 or more people are involved" and thats it.. they have also defined "school shootings" as any shooting within 1000ft of a school, regardless of time of day, where it happens (on campus, or just off campus on the streets? Doesn't matter if its under 1000ft from the school! Its a school shooting!)

Just to add a little humor here in this thread....

Last week...some kid farted loudly in class...old socks , gym locker rooms , wet dog , skunk spray....
All had nothing on the stench and fallout created here.
I am surprised it was not listed as a mass casualty event....
Andy

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Andy riding herd on the Saturday school detention class again.
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Andy

 

[CamoDeafie]

Where did you see that? This is what I found

Mass Shooting Methodology and Reasoning

Mass Shootings are, for the most part an American phenomenon.(No, they aren't and the "study" that said they were was deeply flawed) While they are generally grouped together as one type of incident they are several different types including public shootings, bar/club incidents, family annihilations, drive-by, workplace and those which defy description but with the established foundation definition being that they have a minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident. GVA also presents the count of Mass Murder which, like the FBI's definition is four or more victims, killed, not including the shooter. Mass Murder by gun is a subset of the Mass Shooting count.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/explainer

so what are these.. ? Click the link i gave, scroll sideways and you'll see their data contradicts their stated "explanation".

 

[Knobgoblin]

Just to add a little humor here in this thread....

Last week...some kid farted loudly in class...old socks , gym locker rooms , wet dog , skunk spray....
All had nothing on the stench and fallout created here.
I am surprised it was not listed as a mass casualty event....
Andy

I did that yesterday at work repeatedly.
My all female crew said nothing, but stayed far away from me for hours.
Winning.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

The FBI data also include incidents where more than 3 people killed= mass killing/shooting. Your link only says a mass shooting is when more than 3 people are involved. Looking at the incident casaulties lists, a lot have just 1 dead, 0 injuries, but because there were more than 3 people involved (shooter vs cops or shooters vs shooters or victims or....)

Sure, but a bigger problem (and one I missed when I posted that) was the question revolved around "the last 7" and that list was from 2022
Mea Culpa

Here is a more current list, and remember, the issue was the perpetrators of the last 7 mass shootings

List of mass shootings in the United States in 2024 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

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so what are these.. ? Click the link i gave, scroll sideways and you'll see their data contradicts their stated "explanation".

It's a list, I suppose I should have pointed out that you could scroll through the list and only use the data that matched the 'mass shooting' definition, but it was so easy to do I figured everyone could do it

 

[CamoDeafie]

Sure, but a bigger problem (and one I missed when I posted that) was the question revolved around "the last 7" and that list was from 2022
Mea Culpa

Here is a more current list, and remember, the issue was the perpetrators of the last 7 mass shootings

List of mass shootings in the United States in 2024 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I couldn't find more current FBI data for mass killings/active shooter incidents. Thats why I went to the 2022 archives, just to point out that there are different definitions and different reporting data and that what one clearly biased site reports, doesn't necessarily mean literal "epidemic of mass shootings" if they don't mean "more than 3 people killed per FBI data". You will also note that the FBI purposefully excluded gang killings in their data.

 

[CamoDeafie]

And on that note.
. Its all relatively meaningless if the "data providers" can't agree to one standard. Done with this thread for now.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

You will also note that the FBI purposefully excluded gang killings in their data.

Well, that's dumb.
And yeah, this thread went sideways quickly! Going dip out for abit as well

 

[3MTA3]

Some insight as to why violent events are increasing along with mental instability, over medication, and many other things that would have seemed unthinkably strange just a few years ago.

World's Increasing Insanity Possibly Explained By Mouse Utopia Experiment

We may be truly victims of our own success. The theory is plausible and gives a great deal of insight into events and trends the seem otherwise confusing. View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTDTVbourzU

www.northwestfirearms.com

 

[Knobgoblin]

Don't worry fellas . The story we're still referencing here was buried over 72 hours ago.
Just remember that everyone here IS the problem, according to the media.