Keeping a cool head when things can go real fast!

[Bobbygun]

Well, we all "CAN" shoot whoever we want. I would advise against doing so. lol.

Here's a question only YOU could answer. I can't tell from watching the video, but if pink shirt guy is packing a Sig P320 and the other guy produces his weapon and tells pink shirt to "drop it", when the gun hits the ground and the inevitable happens, will the other guy face charges for causing pink shirt to get shot - despite the other guy not firing his weapon?

 

[Member 45541]

Here's a question only YOU could answer. I can't tell from watching the video, but if pink shirt guy is packing a Sig P320 and the other guy produces his weapon and tells pink shirt to "drop it", when the gun hits the ground and the inevitable happens, will the other guy face charges for causing pink shirt to get shot - despite the other guy not firing his weapon?

Depends on if the parrot can talk!

 

[robertvarner]

With seeing a gun in hand, do we have to wait till its raised?

Given the context, he was probably within his legal rights (unless it was Commiefornia), since he could have easily felt he was "in imminent fear of his life or severe bodily injury", since the "pinko" did wave his firearm in his absolute direction. However it may have been justified, he still would have to live with the fact he ended a life and would have likely ended up in a civil suit that would have cost him time in court that he would never get back (assuming the judge awarded reimbursed court fees). Each person has to be a critical thinker and determine if it would be worth it.

 

[Koda]

In the context of just that video my guess is he wasnt able to drive away, it seems reasonable to say he was in danger of life the moment the pink shirt gun was visible.
But I think the correct answer would have been to not sit there if at all possible to drive around or back up though one can argue that he would not have had time if the pink guy had started shooting immediately..

 

[64MercurysRule]

Mr Pinkie really did not like the camera and it documenting his actions .......

 

[P7M13]

Play stupid games.....

 

[bradsteen]

I don't understand why the driver didn't slam it in reverse and GTFO, or veer right and gun it. There's absolutely no reason I can think of to willingly remain in that kind of situation. Hopefully pink shirt gets an attitude adjustment, and dude in the truck gets some common sense. Both are very lucky to still be alive.

 

[L84Cabo]

Both of those dudes are lucky to be alive.


When does it become legal to shoot that guy...Or hit the accelerator and squish him...

1) When he first steps out of his vehicle with his gun drawn?

2) When he's walking toward your vehicle...with his gun drawn?

3) When he's standing next to your door...with his gun drawn?

4) When he's standing next to your door and starts raising his gun hand?

Just how much time and how much opportunity are you supposed to give an armed assailant to kill you...and your wife?

This happened a while ago. And I seem to recall that Andrew Branca ("Law of Self Defense") broke this down and said the legal threshold was met at #1...if memory serves.

It's a hell of a situation to be in. I agree with Branca that the legal threshold was met at #1. But I would hate to have to depend on jury to see it the same way. Because juries are often full of dumb people and bleeding hearts.

 

[spookshack]

Maybe truck guy knew pinky was all show and no go?

 

[Andy54Hawken]

From what little video there was....
It would appear that Mr. Pink Shirt was the aggressor here.

With that said...
Even if I was in the "right"here....If I could have reversed my truck and left...I would have done so.

Leaving when someone advances towards you with a firearm....will read and sound much better , than many other replies ...
When you are explaining your actions to :
Law Enforcement , as well as to a Judge and Jury.

Please understand that I am not saying to be a doormat and let people walk all over you.
I am saying that , in many , if not most cases...It is best to remove yourself from the threatening / dangerous situation than to confront it.
Andy

 

[Stomper]

Saw this previously but Yea, the idiot in the pink shirt is nothing but a self righteous POS (probably a 'new gun owner') who doesn't know chit from shinola, probably thinks his 'money makes him right' and is DAMN lucky he didn't get his azz blown away.

I hate people like this with a PASSION - and know of a few. If they were to 'disappear' tomorrow I wouldn't think twice about it - or shed a tear....

You're one harsh heartless SOB.....













I like that!

 

[Lilhigbee]

Just a point to consider; if you start to back away from the situation you have committed yourself to defenselessness. You have to watch where you're going instead of concentrating on the actions of Pink Shirt. if you hit another vehicle it may stop your retreat or if you run over an innocent it's going to ruin your life worse than whatever was happening in front of you. If Pink Shirt does start shooting you're committed to driving the car and cannot return fire and by the time you stop the car to return fire or change direction to run him over you're likely going to be dead.

 

[Koda]

Both of those dudes are lucky to be alive.


When does it become legal to shoot that guy...Or hit the accelerator and squish him...

1) When he first steps out of his vehicle with his gun drawn?

2) When he's walking toward your vehicle...with this gun drawn?

3) When he's standing next to your door...with his gun drawn?

4) When he's standing next to your door and starts raising his gun hand?

Just how much time and how much opportunity are you supposed to give an armed assailant to kill you...and your wife?

This happened a while ago. And I seem to recall that Andrew Branca ("Law of Self Defense") broke this down and said the legal threshold was met at #1...if memory serves.

It's a hell of a situation to be in. I agree with Branca that the legal threshold was met at #1. But I would hate to have to depend on jury to see it the same way. Because juries are often full of dumb people and bleeding hearts.

I wouldnt apply this to all situations, but in this situation I agree the threshold was met at #1.
Id like to find that Branca video later today.

 

[Koda]

Just a point to consider; if you start to back away from the situation you have committed yourself to defenselessness. You have to watch where you're going instead of concentrating on the actions of Pink Shirt. if you hit another vehicle it may stop your retreat or if you run over an innocent it's going to ruin your life worse than whatever was happening in front of you. If Pink Shirt does start shooting you're committed to driving the car and cannot return fire and by the time you stop the car to return fire or change direction to run him over you're likely going to be dead.

Just based on the video, it didnt appear to me he had the time to try to flee...

 

[JedB]

Could happen anywhere though!

You have a higher probability of running into crazy or stupid in Floriduh than just about anywhere else.
#just_sayin

 

[red442joe]

I believe this video shows the guy waving the gun getting shot because the victim believed the gun was being brought BACK up, to be pointed at the victim.

View: https://youtu.be/XvUmGBCKKis?si=AFhD1I-9FqMfbByE


Joe

 

[Stomper]

You have a higher probability of running into crazy or stupid in Floriduh than just about anywhere else.
#just_sayin

I once knew this gal named, Flo Rydah..... oh yeah, crazy!

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I believe this video shows the guy waving the gun getting shot because the victim believed the gun was being brought BACK up, to be pointed at the victim.

View: https://youtu.be/XvUmGBCKKis?si=AFhD1I-9FqMfbByE


Joe

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[RVTECH]

The problem with road rage incidents where guns are brought into the picture is they are often used by angry, unstable people as a 'backup' to what is probably a lifelong aggressive nature.

My point being while the person MAY have aggressive and unstable tendencies they are most likely not 'criminals' per se but by simply 'brandishing' the gun while in a hysterical state of mind they may 'cross that line' and a person could be killed even though it was not a case of what is normally considered 'self defense' against a 'typical' criminal action such as robbery, burglary etc.

This whole 'road rage' thing brings a new 'element' into gun carry and what might result in a death which while POTENTIALLY justifiable should NEVER have happened. Or on the 'flip side' what if pink shirt would have shot the other guy, whether inadvertently due to poor gun handling or intentionally because he was 'seeing red'? Now a murderer is created from what should have never started to begin with.

People who have, and carry 'anger' tendencies can be a danger to themselves and others. I know a person like this and I am glad he doesn't live around me anymore as he COULD become 'pink shirt' anytime himself, and it wouldn't surprise me if I were to ever hear a news story of something similar with his name in it.

Good news story on 'pink shirt' however:

https://www.wpbf.com/article/florida-former-fbi-agent-victim-of-road-rage-attack-could-have-used-deadly-force-to-protect-himself/61952570

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I think this Col Jeff Cooper video explains how to deal with a situation like this well. Skip to 15:45 for discussion of "mental trigger" of when to take action. Note the Oregon example at 20:45.

One time I was assaulted and in my mind I had a "mental trigger". I literally said in my mind "he is going to do a or b and I'm going to do c". Physical contact was the mental trigger because I knew the law. My "c" in this case was pepper spray, which instantly incapacitated the attacker.

View: https://youtu.be/id6x3CP6SVE?si=tFrukK5Jtsj3nM-7