Another 737 catches fire

[Provincial]

Russian maintenance is in a class by itself, so there's that. The sanctions have reduced Russian aviation maintenance to Soviet-Era levels, and perhaps worse.

Any jet engine can have an uncontained failure, which breaks through the fire-resistant features of the design. These are very rare, because the design factors are quite extreme. The most common cause for an uncontained failure is an out-of-balance situation of the rotating parts, which turn at very high speeds for their size and weight. It is not possible to prevent every possible failure from becoming uncontained, and sometimes combinations of factors can upset the apple cart.

Kind of like having a crash-resistant automobile, but being caught between two loaded dump trucks.

 

[Provincial]

This design feature didn't work for the Russian IL-76 that crashed earlier this year. But maybe Russian aerospace engineering is different. The Russian Defense Military said an engine caught fire on takeoff, which is always a critical moment in aviation.

I just re-read your post, and realized that the Russian Defense Ministry must have been the operator. My earlier comments on Russian maintenance still apply, except that historically, Russian military maintenance is much worse than their civil sector, and in no way should be compared to maintenance of Civil Aviation in advanced nations.

Go to the Wikipedia page for the IL-76 and scroll down the the "Accidents" section. For the number in service, the accident rate is quite high. This should be a tip-off.

 

[Diamondback]

At least this time is was a plane 25 years old. Sounds like Boeing had nothing to do with this one but of course the news leaves that part out of the story till well into the thing. There has been a definite attack on Boeing going on. Not that they are helping things but, again this was poor maintenance but they promptly blame Boeing . Sounds like some other maker must be doing some heavy donation's to the right people.

25 years is approaching End of Life for a cattlecar, IIRC the FAA limit is 30 years OR 30,000 takeoff/landing cycles whichever runs out first. For perspective, averaging so they both run out together you'd e flying that plane on a thousand flights a year, around 3 takeoffs and landings a day 7 days a week no days off. Scheduled maintenance and deep-teardown inspections add No Fly Days into the mix, though.

 

[gmerkt]

The most common cause for an uncontained failure is an out-of-balance situation of the rotating parts, which turn at very high speeds for their size and weight.

Like some turning part spinning fast and tearing through a presumed barrier in the engine case? I'm sure that happens. I was at a demolition derby many years ago, a big piece of flywheel tore through a car, went through the air, then landed next to me in the grandstands. It made a big gouge in the wood bench. Had it hit me in the head, I'd would've been severely injured or dead.

 

[gmerkt]

The C919 has been in work for about 20 years

Didn't the Boeing Company basically teach the Chinese how to make those? By "partnering" with Chinese companies to build Boeing parts for less than they cost to make in the US?

The C919 has a lot of non-Chinese component parts, bought from willing sellers in the US and elsewhere, but over time, they will copy these and make them at home as well.

It doesn't matter if the C919 won't be any more technically advanced than a Boeing or Airbus craft, because as a state-owned enterprise, COMAC will undersell the other two companies.

It may be prove to be an unwise expenditure for the Boeing Company to paint the rusty air ducts on the Everett plant.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Documentary on 787 South Carolina plant. Workers say it's botched together/planes are unsafe and many workers on drugs. Skip to 24:00 mark

View: https://youtu.be/rvkEpstd9os?si=g9bieVrhtMsgAcNt


23 Boeing employees charged by dea with dealing drugs on Boeing property in 2011, including the head of the union. Sounds like Boeing has a drug problem.

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2011/09/29/more-two-dozen-boeing-employees-arrested-drug-sting

 

[made in china]

Didn't the Boeing Company basically teach the Chinese how to make those? By "partnering" with Chinese companies to build Boeing parts for less than they cost to make in the US?

The C919 has a lot of non-Chinese component parts, bought from willing sellers in the US and elsewhere, but over time, they will copy these and make them at home as well.

It doesn't matter if the C919 won't be any more technically advanced than a Boeing or Airbus craft, because as a state-owned enterprise, COMAC will undersell the other two companies.

It may be prove to be an unwise expenditure for the Boeing Company to paint the rusty air ducts on the Everett plant.

At one time, China was the only country where an aerospace sub was building Boeing and Airbus parts in the same facility.

That's called training future domestic aerospace employees and engineers.

30 years of outsourcing, in all industries, is about to come full circle on the West.

 

[WEE]

Wow, the insight shown by the staff at CNN! I worked in commercial aviation at Boeing for 46 years and never knew this!

 

[Alexx1401]

Wow, the insight shown by the staff at CNN! I worked in commercial aviation at Boeing for 46 years and never knew this!
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You mean planes have a hard time staying in the air when they run out of fuel? Well damn! I had no idea either. Only the CNN watching crowd would actually find this news which is kind of scary since there are a lot of them.

 

[Flopsweat]

You mean planes have a hard time staying in the air when they run out of fuel? Well damn! I had no idea either. Only the CNN watching crowd would actually find this news which is kind of scary since there are a lot of them.

In another breaking update, if you run from the cops, you get more charges!

 

[patrikky]

Documentary on 787 South Carolina plant. Workers say it's botched together/planes are unsafe and many workers on drugs. Skip to 24:00 mark

View: https://youtu.be/rvkEpstd9os?si=g9bieVrhtMsgAcNt


23 Boeing employees charged by dea with dealing drugs on Boeing property in 2011, including the head of the union. Sounds like Boeing has a drug problem.

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2011/09/29/more-two-dozen-boeing-employees-arrested-drug-sting

This location is small and is not involved in commercial airline manufacturing. It is also not the same union.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

This location is small and is not involved in commercial airline manufacturing. It is also not the same union.

I didn't say it was any of those things. 2 seperate things and locations. Both drug sales and use at Boeing.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Boeing CEO taking the golden parachute and stepping down before the you know what hits the fan. Also the board director will step down. Some other leaders also. They are all jumping the sinking ship.

Boeing is in big trouble. The outsourced everything and sacrificed quality. The planes are still flying around and just a matter of time before another fatal crash. This is going to take a massive restructuring by Boeing to fix. They are going to actually have to start producing things themselves again instead of outsourcing everything.

Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun to step down in wake of ongoing safety problems | CNN Business

Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun said Monday he intends to leave the beleaguered company by the end of the year in a major shakeup of the company’s leadership. Boeing’s chairman and the head of the commercial airplane unit are also leaving.

amp.cnn.com

 

[WEE]

The current situation is the result of several bad decisions made over the past 25-30 years. Without mentioning names, I'll just say the merger with McDonnell Douglas, moving the corporate headquarters from Seattle to Chicago, locating the 787 sub-assembly plant in South Carolina just to avoid labor unions, hiring some CEOs who had run their previous companies into the ground, hiring some CEOs who were bean counters and did not have a solid engineering background, making DEI initiatives the priority instead of quality control.

 

[patrikky]

The current situation is the result of several bad decisions made over the past 25-30 years. Without mentioning names, I'll just say the merger with McDonnell Douglas, moving the corporate headquarters from Seattle to Chicago, locating the 787 sub-assembly plant in South Carolina just to avoid labor unions, hiring some CEOs who had run their previous companies into the ground, hiring some CEOs who were bean counters and did not have a solid engineering background, making DEI initiatives the priority instead of quality control.

That about sums it up

 

[Diamondback]

And having a p*ss-sucking, papershuffling Beancounter whose previous post is Head of IT be the new head of BCA will be more poison in its veins rather than the PLANEBUILDER medicine it needs.

 

[Alexx1401]

The current situation is the result of several bad decisions made over the past 25-30 years. Without mentioning names, I'll just say the merger with McDonnell Douglas, moving the corporate headquarters from Seattle to Chicago, locating the 787 sub-assembly plant in South Carolina just to avoid labor unions, hiring some CEOs who had run their previous companies into the ground, hiring some CEOs who were bean counters and did not have a solid engineering background, making DEI initiatives the priority instead of quality control.

Go woke, go broke. Plays out again and again.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Cowling comes off 737-800 today had to make emergency landing.

Also mar 22 another 737-800 had engine failure during takeoff and made emergency landing.

Right engine of Southwest Boeing 737 shut down during climb out of Fort Lauderdale

Southwest flight WN1575 to Houston was forced to return to Fort Lauderdale right after departure following an engine failure.

airlive.net

 

[Tlock]

Glad I won't be flying anytime soon

 

[ilikegunspdx]