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Source for an opinion about how a group of people might react to a hypothetical situation? I'm the source.Source?
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Source for an opinion about how a group of people might react to a hypothetical situation? I'm the source.Source?
Believe it or not, I have tried looking for this quite a bit, and just go in circle because most articles refer to union rules - but I can't find those rules.Google is your friend. A quick search brings up a few articles with references to armorers in the industry, their take on the "Rust" incident, and standard film-set protocol.
Where have I demanded a source, and where did I state a contested fact without a source? I looked up and downloaded the Mag Ban law and summarized it. I provided a link to the FBI homicide database in another thread and referenced it.You are so insistent on everyone else providing sources for their information, yet I'm having troubles finding any sources you have provided to support your statements.
The "what's your source??" game is fun, but it takes two to play! Maybe lead by example?
I assure you I am not among them.Didn't realize there were so many movie set legal experts on this gun forum!
Where have I demanded a source, and where did I state a contested fact without a source? I looked up and downloaded the Mag Ban law and summarized it. I provided a link to the FBI homicide database in another thread and referenced it.
Your impression seems to be in error.
What are you quoting this protocol from?
I burned up 25% of my torso and hand when I was seven years old.... I think the position of "burning stunt man" is prolly not on my wish list for occupations.Nope, probably not.
I managed to set myself on fire once.
Didn't cotton to it much, upon reflection afterwards.
Don't feel any burnin' urge to try that again...
Which is freaking hilarious when you find out Clint's views on gun control aren't that different than BaldwinsI'm not sure who's in the wrong, but I agree that if we were talking about Clint Eastwood, it would be a very different conversation here.
Refrain from pointing a handgun at anyone, including yourself. If it is absolutely necessary to do so on camera, consult the property master... ...or other safey representative.
So @mhayd93, I politely requested a source in this case because @RedRover was stating some things that ran contrary to things I had heard. It wasn't until l searched for SAG documents that I found anything. And what I found runs contrary to what RedRover stated as fact. So you'll forgive me for asking.These guidelines are intended to give recommendations, special guidelines, and conditions for the safe handling of firearms utilizing "LIVE AMMUNITION".
Thank you for the update. That was the last thing I heard on TV about that portion of the investigation. I'm not shocked that investigators keep getting firearms stuff wrong.@RX-79G
You stated the law enforcement said that the gun going off w/o pulling the trigger is possible with the weapon used on set.
Actually, as previously discussed in this thread, the local DA or ADA and a LE buddy used one of the buddy's SAA handguns that was dissimilar to the one used on set, AND the informal test was NOT equivalent to CSI testing the ACTUAL handgun used.
If there is an update to these facts where the CSI did do testing, I would sure like to know!!
So... If a general is riding in a jeep and a private is driving it who is the person actually controlling the jeep, rather than just riding in it. If the general tells the private to turn left NOW who will the general blame for hitting a pothole?Believe it or not, I have tried looking for this quite a bit, and just go in circle because most articles refer to union rules - but I can't find those rules.
I've seen quite a few discussions on CourtTV and the like, and many of the "industry experts" they'll have on don't seem to have their facts right, getting details of how certain weapons work and the like.
So while I have been exposed to an awful lot of opinions about how things should work, I have yet to see an actual set of rules that are written down like the way IDPA rules are documented.
I don't think the Rust accident is an example of people doing things correctly, I just think that the DP putting herself in front of the muzzle was a critical choice made by the person actually controlling the weapon, rather than just holding it. But that's opinion.
"Know will have bad results" is the key. If Baldwin is being told to do something that doesn't violate a strict rule and he has been told the gun was checked and cold, does he "know" there will be a bad result when the DP tells him to point it at the camera, where she happens to be standing?So... If a general is riding in a jeep and a private is driving it who is the person actually controlling the jeep, rather than just riding in it. If the general tells the private to turn left NOW who will the general blame for hitting a pothole?
As a pilot if the tower tells you to do something that you know will have bad results are you absolved of the result if you knowingly follow a bad command?
It's funny, the OHSB misquotes or misunderstands the Guidelines it refers to. Per the document's "Live ammuntion" guidelines, I don't know if the Rust set constitutes a "studio lot or stage". Rust was being filmed out in the desert, which is much like where live ammo filming is allowed.OHSB Rust Workplace Fatality Investigation
Overview - links to download report etc.
OHSB Rust Workplace Fatality Investigation
www.env.nm.gov
Press Release PDF
Rust Movie Productions issued 'Willful' citation for Halyna Hutchins' avoidable death on set Rust Movie Productions, LLC receives maximum citation for plain indifference to recognized hazards associated with use of firearms on set
Especially given that it is almost 100% that the production company has insurance that will cover itIt's funny, the OHSB misquotes or misunderstands the Guidelines it refers to. Per the document's "Live ammuntion" guidelines, I don't know if the Rust set constitutes a "studio lot or stage". Rust was being filmed out in the desert, which is much like where live ammo filming is allowed.
$137k is nothing, really, so it is not worth it for the Rust production to fight the ruling.