National AA-12 a Machine Gun?

[RicInOR]

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Semi-automatic AA-12 Shotgun Reclassified As A Machine Gun Due To Markings?

According to the ATF letter given to owners, the manufacture's markings on the semi-automatic version of the AA-12 were not accurate. Somehow this makes a semi-automatic gun a fully automatic machine gun?

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Semi-automatic AA-12 Shotgun Reclassified As A Machine Gun Due To Markings?

Article first appeared at Ammoland.com Washington, D.C.The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives have started seizing semi-automatic versions of the AA-12 shotguns for being a “machinegun.” Owners of these shotguns started receiving letters from the ATF demanding they turn in...

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[CountryGent]

Weird story. Here is one of the letters:

 

[jbett98]

Suddenly, I really want one of these, even though I've never heard about them until now.

 

[CountryGent]

When they announced the run of semi-auto ones, I was tempted to buy. IIRC, they were pricey and I lost interest. Good thing I didn't invest in one, because it looks like they are getting melted down by ATF.

 

[Member 34319]

Proof that the 4473 you fill out is in fact a registration.

How else would they know who to send these letters to?

 

[Kruel J]

Suddenly, I really want one of these, even though I've never heard about them until now.

You haven't seen The Expendables then.

Or FPS Russia.

It's been out for a while now.

 

[Stomper]

And some people think Glocks look like two pieces of
welded wood....

 

[Teacher Todd]

Proof that the 4473 you fill out is in fact a registration.

How else would they know who to send these letters to?

Proof that the 4473 you fill out is in fact a registration.

How else would they know who to send these letters to?

The dealer is required to maintain the paperwork for a period of no less than 20 years. They run the trace this way. If the gun traded hands via private party in a state prior to needing a dealer to do the transfer then the trail stops there.

 

[Geardo]

Wow. Super lame. Such horse crap.

 

[zenbreath]

What will a semi auto AA 12 do, that a Saiga 12 won't?

 

[JustSomeGuy]

What will a semi auto AA 12 do, that a Saiga 12 won't?

Get confiscated by ATF as a "machine gun" for one...

 

[CountryGent]

The dealer is required to maintain the paperwork for a period of no less than 20 years. They run the trace this way. If the gun traded hands via private party in a state prior to needing a dealer to do the transfer then the trail stops there.

Bingo. ATF follows the transfer trail to the final owner, if they can. Been that way for 50+ years.

 

[arakboss]

Bingo. ATF follows the transfer trail to the final owner, if they can. Been that way for 50+ years.

Effectively the ATF does have a registry in a State like ours.

Edit: transfers between legal relatives can end this tracking process. Especially if a few families are involved in a transfer of a firearm. This could make for some fun family reunions.

 

[awshoot]

From this, it looks like the manufacturer/importer screwed their customers by being sloppy about the law, in particular the "readily restored" language :

UPDATED ******* ATF updated me today again just after publishing. They stated that their lawyers looked at the receiver and it was identical to the automatic in semi-automatic version, but the decision did not come from the tech branch.

If the receiver was identical to the auto, not in mere markings, but in machining -- that would be a big issue because the conversion to full auto would simply require swapping out the guts.

 

[CountryGent]

Follow up on this, with the legal and mechanical reasons behind what went down: Sol Invictus Arms Statement Regarding AA-12 Shotguns and the ATF Recall

A $7,500 shotgun, that could be very well be vaporware, and has an ATF investigation swirling around original production? Yah, I don't think I will be hitting that "Pre-order" button now ...

 

[RicInOR]

Thank you for the follow up. This is quite a tale.

Follow up on this, with the legal and mechanical reasons behind what went down: Sol Invictus Arms Statement Regarding AA-12 Shotguns and the ATF Recall

A $7,500 shotgun, that could be very well be vaporware, and has an ATF investigation swirling around original production? Yah, I don't think I will be hitting that "Pre-order" button now ...