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My home defense gun:
Mossberg Shockwave with a SBA4 brace. Basically a Mossberg 590 with a short barrel. I have since put an SBA3 brace on it instead.
It is about as short as some bullpups (e.g., a Mossberg 500 bullpup I used to own).
I have it loaded with buckshot.
With an arm brace, if you accidentally let the brace slip onto your shoulder (not intentionally mind you), I have found that it is almost as effective as a shotgun with a stock. Just make it clear to never put a stock on it and never conceal it on your person.
Some bullpup shotguns, like the KSG are as short than a Shockwave without the brace, shorter than the Shockwave with the brace by 4" and have considerably more capacity.
With a laser and a hi lumens light - like the TLR-2 HL - it is an effective home defense weapon IMO. Without a laser, the bead sight is ok, but it could really benefit from a better set of sights.
I don't know why people say these are useless. Legally they are not a shotgun, practically and functionally, they are a sawed off shotgun. Want a real sawed off shotgun?
You can buy a Shockwave or a Tac-13/14, send in your Form 1 and $200/$205 (SBS or AOW respectively), wait for however long, and when you approval, put a stock on it. You can even make it shorter when you do that, if you wish.
Or not - just keep it the way it is. I have another Shockwave that has a pistol grip (and is still 26"+ long). That is my "trunk/truck gun".
These are not for everybody - they are short and light. The recoil is significant. With 3" magnum buckshot, the recoil is significant++, but still manageable for most adults who don't mind significant++ recoil.
Point him in the direction of a simple pump action 12 or 20 gauge. Think Mossberg 500/590 or Remington 870. Tell him to get his bubblegum in a store today or tomorrow as they are literally all gone. 12 gauge ammo is also virtually all sold out too. If he gets a shotgun and cant find any ammo let me know. I'll throw a box a 25 rounds of buck his way, because he's a friend of a friend.Wifey has informed me that one our neighbors and a customer at the store is interested in purchasing a shotgun for the home, and wants to speak to me about it. I'm not a shotgun guy. I did pick one up a year or so ago cause it was cool and about 50 years old and in great shape. I little single shot, break action 20 gauge. I hated it and promptly sold it to a gentleman member that had one as a kid. What I consider appropriate for home defense would be a short barrel, 16"-18" 20 gauge pump, for someone that might be new to shotguns. What is currently available that fits the bill as a nice budget minded,,,ooo, do I dare?..."Shotty" ? The gentleman is a vet and, apparently, decided after his service that he wasn't into guns and doesn't have any now. So he's not a total noob to guns.
Look at a Thunder Ranch shotgun.Wifey has informed me that one our neighbors and a customer at the store is interested in purchasing a shotgun for the home, and wants to speak to me about it. I'm not a shotgun guy. I did pick one up a year or so ago cause it was cool and about 50 years old and in great shape. I little single shot, break action 20 gauge. I hated it and promptly sold it to a gentleman member that had one as a kid. What I consider appropriate for home defense would be a short barrel, 16"-18" 20 gauge pump, for someone that might be new to shotguns. What is currently available that fits the bill as a nice budget minded,,,ooo, do I dare?..."Shotty" ? The gentleman is a vet and, apparently, decided after his service that he wasn't into guns and doesn't have any now. So he's not a total noob to guns.
I can only shoot one at a time - I don't have four hands.
but you have opposable toes.... and a prehensile tail.
Point him in the direction of a simple pump action 12 or 20 gauge. Think Mossberg 500/590 or Remington 870. Tell him to get his bubblegum in a store today or tomorrow as they are literally all gone. 12 gauge ammo is also virtually all sold out too. If he gets a shotgun and cant find any ammo let me know. I'll throw a box a 25 rounds of buck his way, because he's a friend of a friend.
This is what I was thinking. "Simple" And not some "tactical" high cap/high price gun. Though I'm really thinking this guys timing is about 2-1/2 months late. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's not really into searching a bunch of stores and online retailers to get a gun. Ad to that what people hear on TV has them of the mind set that "All ya' gots to do is walk in anywhere, or just get on-line, and walk out/have mailed to you, any kind of gun ya' want!" Even people that are right in the middle and have nothing against gun owning/owners minds are bent by MSM.
I saw a Mossberg Maverick for sale at $140 in the classifieds here.... it'd make a decent "starter base" to begin with.
Maverick 88
Listing for a friend. Like new maverick 88 made by mossberg. 12 ga 3” screw in choke. 28” barrel. $140 meet at ffl and go halves on transfer. Give him a text or call 541-913-8653.www.northwestfirearms.com
I want to start to say I am not a shotgun expert. I own a couple don't shoot them much. Bought a Shockwave a while back. The 2 3/4" shellsThese are not for everybody - they are short and light. The recoil is significant. With 3" magnum buckshot, the recoil is significant++, but still manageable for most adults who don't mind significant++ recoil.