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1911, when?

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Wayne, May 17, 2015.

  1. Wayne

    Wayne Near Tacoma Active Member

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    When I was growing up 1911 was a 45 APC. Even through my 50's it was a 45 ACP. So, when did it become ok to call a 9mm that LOOKS like a 1911, a 1911 ?
    Every time I see someone saying they got a 9mm 1911 I think to myself, that should be a "looks like a 1911 9mm".;)
    I know, in my old age I am becoming petty, I just think it might be confused :):(
     
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  2. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    9mm is the new .38 Super.. from 1903.
     
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  3. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    But indeed, why would one want a three pound 1911 in 9mm? That's why the Moses designed the two pound Hi-Power.
     
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  4. BillM

    BillM Amity OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Colt (like the C in Automatic Colts Pistol--ACP) Calls it a 1911 in 38 ACP, 38 Super , 9mm,
    45 ACP and even 38 Special.

    Do you also say a gun isn't a real Single Action Army if it isn't in 45 Colt?
    Model 1873 Winchester isn't a '73 if it isn't in 44 WCF (44-40)?
     
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  5. Dornai

    Dornai Vancouver, WA Active Member

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    The name of a firearm belongs to the platform, not to the caliber it is chambered in.

    Glock pistols were originally designed for the 9x19 Parabellum and have since evolved to encompass nearly every popular handgun caliber.

    Is it not okay to call a G21 a Glock because it's chambered in .45 ACP and not 9mm? It's the same platform. Different magazine and different barrel is all.
     
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  6. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    That analogy doesn't work... It would be wrong to call a Glock 21 a Glock 17, or a Glock 19. Now a Goock 18? Fuggetaboutit!! :D
     
  7. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I say this same thing when I see one of those bobbed handled things.
    It's not a 1911 any more.
     
  8. Dornai

    Dornai Vancouver, WA Active Member

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    The analogy does work because the platform is the Glock and all Glocks have the same distinguishing features that classify them as Glocks. The numbers merely differentiate calibers or pistol sizes.
     
  9. Greenbug

    Greenbug Bend Well-Known Member

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    So why is the Glock 40 a 10mm???

    Glocks are silly:D:rolleyes:
     
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  10. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Correct, but not all Glock 30's are a Glock 19, yet they're Glocks with a distinguishing nomenclature, while the "1911" ..... meh, everyone JUST DEAL WITH IT! o_O:D
     
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  11. Koda

    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    a "1911" is any caliber using that style of gun but simply just a "45" is the real deal.
     
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  12. Wayne

    Wayne Near Tacoma Active Member

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    I can live with this. What"s a Glock :rolleyes:
     
  13. Koda

    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    an indestructable, accurate, reliable... the original polymer gun. It doesnt matter what caliber they come in including a .45acp its still a Glock. If you want to buy a polymer gun you get the original, a Glock, everything elese is just a modern gun. If you want to buy a "45" you get one in a 1911, everything else is not a "45".
     
  14. JSJPDX

    JSJPDX East Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    Let's see, maybe because we like the fit and feel of the 1911 and with the arthritis in our hands we have a difficult time getting an adequate grip on a double stack frame. Not to mention all of the leather and other accessories already acquired over the years that will still fit a 9mm in the 1911 platform.
     
  15. Kid@Heart

    Kid@Heart Vancouver, USA Cynic Lifetime Supporter Diamond Supporter

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    This whole discussion is a little off the rails...

    Colt, Kimber, Springfield, Glock and Browning are all Manufacturers.

    1911, Hi-Power, XD and Buckmark are all Models.

    .45 ACP, 9 mm, .40 S&W and .22lr are all calibers.

    You get to mix and match to get what you want.
     
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  16. Koda

    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    a 1911 is a type of pistol, not a model. No manufacturer can claim the term as their exclusive model like the rest in your list.
     
  17. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Oh you choir preacher you!
     
  18. Dreams of Steel

    Dreams of Steel Sherwood Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    It stands to reason that since my Turkish knockoff Zig M1911A1 is a Model 1911, A1 configuration built by Tisas... 1911 IS a model of semi-automatic magazine fed pistol. Glock is a brand. Colt is a brand. No one else makes Glocks except Glock. Sure, there are companies out there making knockoff Glocks, but they aren't a true Glock. There are a slew of companies that make 1911's in various calibers and configurations. If it is modeled on JMB's 1911 design, its a 1911. Caliber is unimportant for the purposes of identifying the design of the pistol. Series 70, series 80, model 1991, model 2011, these are variations of the original 1911 platform. I love all 1911's in all calibers, most natural pointing and shooting gun ever IMHO.
     
  19. Oakengroves

    Oakengroves Portland New Member

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    "1911" is a reference to the design. I shoot a 9mm SA 1911 regularly. It is very enjoyable to shoot and virtually identical to a .45 1911, minus a little felt recoil and less money spent on ammo.
     
  20. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    I think the original Browning design was with the .38 auto. forget