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That's why you want to use explosive slugs:If you live in the city with close neighbors, over penetration is an issue. Slugs or 00 buck could go into your neighbors home...
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I get your humor...and like it. You mentioning super-de-duper mag fed semi autos and high performance vehciles reminded me of something and a connection. Many (many) years ago, Road & Track magazine did a test on which was the fastest, a Ferrari, a Lambo and a Corvette. They had factory mechanics there for all three vehicles. They could never get the Ferrari or Lambo anywhere close to their stated max speed. The Vette, although lower, actually performed as intended.If in doubt, use massive firepower. Slugs and #00 buck from mag fed shotgun delivering 12-20 rounds accurately at 300 rounds per minute. If slugs that's up to 47,000 ft lbs of energy -and over 8700 grains of lead- in 4 seconds. If #00 buck that's the equivalent of 180-300 rounds of .380 handgun in 4 seconds. That would kinda hurt.
...btw just kidding about that stuff, nobody is going to mag dump that much into an intruder. But kind of like having a very powerful vehicle. Nice to know the power is there if you need it.
at 7 yards 7 1/2 shoots a 1" hole through formica laminated to 3/4" particle board.
I've reviewed many autopsy photos of buck shot. I've also reviewed many hospital photos of bird shot. Notice the difference? Sure, at extremely close range is a 1oz+ wad of shot. But very quickly, bird shot can become something that will not go very far under the skin, meaning it does not hit vital organs. Not that I want to be shot with it, but just some food for thought.A good one I've found is Winchester AA Low recoil bird shot. Low Recoil 9 shot target works at well but prefer the LR bird since it has a lower velocity so less likely to over penetrate.
At 5-15' I'm sure bird shot is going to leave a pretty nice size hole. My main goal with it is to take the person(s) down without the round(s) leaving the property. Not a fan of that liability part if it hits something I don't want it to.I've reviewed many autopsy photos of buck shot. I've also reviewed many hospital photos of bird shot. Notice the difference? Sure, at extremely close range is a 1oz+ wad of shot. But very quickly, bird shot can become something that will not go very far under the skin, meaning it does not hit vital organs. Not that I want to be shot with it, but just some food for ththought.
Ferraris, lambos, and saiga 12's are temperamental. Lynx 12 is not. Never a malfunction of any kind for me and only failure I've heard of is a broken bolt at 11,000 rounds.I get your humor...and like it. You mentioning super-de-duper mag fed semi autos and high performance vehciles reminded me of something and a connection. Many (many) years ago, Road & Track magazine did a test on which was the fastest, a Ferrari, a Lambo and a Corvette. They had factory mechanics there for all three vehicles. They could never get the Ferrari or Lambo anywhere close to their stated max speed. The Vette, although lower, actually performed as intended.
In my house, I can have possible/likely shots of 7 to 10 yards in a home invasion situation. When I teach defensive shotgun, I give pre-class homework and have folks measure likely shot distances inside their homes in a defensive encounter. Here is an interesting article on the topic. Notice the 10-yard spread of bird shot (for those not looking, it pretty much covers a USPSA target). Compare that to the 10-yard spread of 8 pellets, 00 buck Federal flight control (about a 4" spread in their gun).At 5-15' I'm sure bird shot is going to leave a pretty nice size hole. My main goal with it is to take the person(s) down without the round(s) leaving the property. Not a fan of that liability part if it hits something I don't want it to.
Agree all you have to do is look how far the birdshot penetrated into the meat of a pheasant you shot at pretty close range (a pheasant being tiny and lightweight with thin hollow bones compared to a human). In contrast each pellet of #00 buck is roughly equivalent to a bullet from a .380 pistol, but all the pellets hit at the same time. So kinda like having 9 guys (for 2 3/4" shell) all shoot you with a .380 at the same time, for each round of #00 buck.In my house, I can have possible/likely shots of 7 to 10 yards in a home invasion situation. When I teach defensive shotgun, I give pre-class homework and have folks measure likely shot distances inside their homes in a defensive encounter. Here is an interesting article on the topic. Notice the 10-yard spread of bird shot (for those not looking, it pretty much covers a USPSA target). Compare that to the 10-yard spread of 8 pellets, 00 buck Federal flight control (about a 4" spread in their gun).
Also note the penetration of birdshot into ballistic gel, about 6" max. This was done at 10 FEET, not yards. There is a ballpark presumption that the first four inches of penetration in the gel is approximately equivalent to just getting through human skin. This will be more prevalent with extremely lightweight projectiles (i.e., birdshot). Now add a heavy coat and another layer or two of cloth. Eight of their nine pellet load (different from the pattern test apparently) had 16" of penetration, which would mean at 10 feet to 30 feet, it would be lower but still able to stop a fight by hitting significantly important tissue.
I support everyone choosing the ammo they feel will best meet their needs. I have a home layout where 00 buck works for me but to each their own. Just wanted to share a little food for thought on the topic from past and continuing research.