Wooster Armory Indoor Range Pre-Registration

[doge_patrol]

Hopefully the folks that paid the membership costs got their money back then. Sad to see this not come to fruition. This area really needed another indoor range. Threat Dynamics is tiny.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Hopefully the folks that paid the membership costs got their money back then. Sad to see this not come to fruition. This area really needed another indoor range. Threat Dynamics is tiny.

Part of me wonders if the number of folks that preregistered was the issue, like maybe a lot fewer people registered than they expected and their backers got cold feet

 

[doge_patrol]

Part of me wonders if the number of folks that preregistered was the issue, like maybe a lot fewer people registered than they expected and their backers got cold feet

Their investors/backers might need to re-evaluate if that's the case (maybe adjust the prices?) because it feels like there's a lot more demand than supply in this area. The amount of new firearm owners is significant and there's wait times for lanes most anywhere I've personally been, even for outdoor areas like North Fork Wolf Creek.

 

[Mark_Dorman]

I feel like Memberships won't be the bulk of their revenue. Many people love to go shoot, but you have to want the exclusivity or go enough to pay the pricing. I signed up because of the guaranteed lane space and perks. I won't go enough to actually get my money's worth. But when I do go I don't want to waste time waiting for a lane or being limited on time.

 

[AshWilliams]

Their investors/backers might need to re-evaluate if that's the case (maybe adjust the prices?) because it feels like there's a lot more demand than supply in this area. The amount of new firearm owners is significant and there's wait times for lanes most anywhere I've personally been, even for outdoor areas like North Fork Wolf Creek.

Agreed, and this is what leads me to believe the range opening is mired in red tape with the city.

This is just a theory of mine btw. I'm in the dark as much as the next guy about this.

 

[nammac]

Agreed, and this is what leads me to believe the range opening is mired in red tape with the city.

This is just a theory of mine btw. I'm in the dark as much as the next guy about this.

This is most likely the case, and most likely environmental concerns of releasing lead and other contaminants into the air are the fuel for that fire. In most locales, indoor ranges require air handling and scrubbing systems to ensure there's no unwanted contamination coming from the range.

I would imagine with this being a new range, the environmental constraints are quite rigorous and I'm sure there are hoops we can't even imagine that have to be jumped through. Would be nice to see them successfully open the range, can have enough safe dependable places to shoot.

 

[oremike]

I would speculate that there are civil servants with personal agendas creating hoops to jump thru faster than Wooster can jump thru them.

 

[DLS]

Indoor range environmental abatement issues are well known and easily dealt with. It's expensive but not rocket science or a black art.

The governmental permitting process is pretty much the same. Byzantine regulations and insufferable bureaucrats notwithstanding.

All of that should have been addressed in the business plan, and have been taken care of early in the development process.

If they are mired in red tape they got he whole process BASS ACKWARD.

 

[64MercurysRule]

And then there's the fact that they are in Beaverton / Washington county that is Californica 2.0 to deal with ..... Karens Karens Karens .

 

[AshWilliams]

And then there's the fact that they are in Beaverton / Washington county that is Californica 2.0 to deal with ..... Karens Karens Karens .

This.

 

[Koda]

This is most likely the case, and most likely environmental concerns of releasing lead and other contaminants into the air are the fuel for that fire. In most locales, indoor ranges require air handling and scrubbing systems to ensure there's no unwanted contamination coming from the range.

I would imagine with this being a new range, the environmental constraints are quite rigorous and I'm sure there are hoops we can't even imagine that have to be jumped through. Would be nice to see them successfully open the range, can have enough safe dependable places to shoot.

Yes, but in other states there's no shortage of small indoor shooting ranges, seems like every other gun shop has a shooting range in the back room. And I agree with above that it doesn't seem like its rocket science to abate the environmental issues.
Portland has always had a lack of indoor shooting ranges and every new one thats tried to start up has folded. I have long suspected blue politics intentionally preventing them from happening.

I'm in the dark about Wooster but Id really only like to know if its the city causing it and not just their own mismanagement. If its the latter, we will never know of course but my guess is if it was the city they could have at least ranted about it here to justify their delays.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Yes, but in other states there's no shortage of small indoor shooting ranges, seems like every other gun shop has a shooting range in the back room. And I agree with above that it doesn't seem like its rocket science to abate the environmental issues.
Portland has always had a lack of indoor shooting ranges and every new one thats tried to start up has folded. I have long suspected blue politics intentionally preventing them from happening.

I'm in the dark about Wooster but Id really only like to know if its the city causing it and not just their own mismanagement. If its the latter, we will never know of course but my guess is if it was the city they could have at least ranted about it here to justify their delays.

The wild promises that were devoid of reality and putting on a show of "what they are going to do" rather than "look what we have done, come join!" Should tell you all you need to know imo.

 

[AshWilliams]

They're also not instilling confidence in the community by being so tight-lipped about their progress. You open your facility with much fanfare and then as the range opening draws out you go dark?

View: https://youtu.be/TM-G0bkl8MQ?feature=shared

 

[Koda]

The wild promises that were devoid of reality and putting on a show of "what they are going to do" rather than "look what we have done, come join!" Should tell you all you need to know imo.

Their silence is certainly talking loudly here....

 

[64MercurysRule]

Like the old saying ....... It's not how you start the race but ultimately how you finish it .

 

[SCARed]

This is most likely the case, and most likely environmental concerns of releasing lead and other contaminants into the air are the fuel for that fire. In most locales, indoor ranges require air handling and scrubbing systems to ensure there's no unwanted contamination coming from the range.

I would imagine with this being a new range, the environmental constraints are quite rigorous and I'm sure there are hoops we can't even imagine that have to be jumped through. Would be nice to see them successfully open the range, can have enough safe dependable places to shoot.

IF that were actually the case, the the owners are dumber than originally portrayed. You would NEVER open a place to become a range without actually knowing if you even could. That would be about the stupidest business decision you could make.
And even in liberal Beaverton, permits wouldnt take almost 2years to obtain.

 

[nammac]

IF that were actually the case, the the owners are dumber than originally portrayed. You would NEVER open a place to become a range without actually knowing if you even could. That would be about the stupidest business decision you could make.
And even in liberal Beaverton, permits wouldnt take almost 2years to obtain.

Even with rabidly anti-gun government agencies? Just asking because sometimes red tape becomes the thing that sucks the life out of a well intentioned project…

The silence is deafening, so we may never know a root cause.

 

[SCARed]

Even with rabidly anti-gun government agencies? Just asking because sometimes red tape becomes the thing that sucks the life out of a well intentioned project…

The silence is deafening, so we may never know a root cause.

Agreed, but you gotta think Beaverton would have said He'll No quite a while ago rather than just keep stringing a business along. They could have easily said NO just for the gun shop getting a permit and opening let alone a range.

 

[doge_patrol]

Not an expert in government red tape, building permits/regulations and what not, but definitely wouldn't surprise me if bureaucratic or city/county political shenanigans, that weren't foreseen by the owners, stopped or severely delayed their business plans.

 

[SCARed]

So here's some of the BS that happened when he first started. I may have eluded to it in the other thread, but heres a bit more detail.
Shortly after he first opened I was in there. Got the tour from the owner, grand plans, gonna get his SOT, have machine guns, Glock master dealer, the works. Range should be open in 6mos if not sooner. Permits already filed.
Then he tells me he's got the same contractor building his place that built SafeFire. Already talking to SafeFire about stuff and everything. Said he was currently doing a "soft open" but should have the shop oficially open in a few months. Cool.

I do mention that the next closest gun shop IS the Glock distributer. He gets kinda huffy saying the Glock rep never told him that, blah blah blah. I know the rep, and he said the guy did contact him, but was just inquiring about becoming a regular dealer.
Anyway, 20min later, I'm talking to someone else who is close friends with the Owner of Safefire and immediately calls them. The Owner of Safefire (OS going forward) had never talked to anybody at Wooster, nor anybody about a new range. Adding on top of that, the contractor that built Safefire is OS's father. So not a chance in hell anything that is being said from Wooster is remotely true at that point.
Flash forward 6mos. The OS goes to visit Wooster. Doesn't tell him who they are, and gets the full tour. Including the spiel about being in talks with Safefire and their contractor. OS starts asking some technical questions about the range, and the answers he gave made it very apparent he had no idea what he was even talking about.

That was my intro to Wooster and why I don't have any expectations that anything will come of it. I've been in a couple times since then, but I've seen nothing to change my mind. Rather, it's just getting more and more reinforced.