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Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by dario541, Nov 4, 2009.

  1. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    "E-trace is a nationwide database maintained by the BATF that lists a firearm's first purchaser, date of purchase and the retailer from whom it was purchased."
    There has been a lot of discussion lately over whether or not the Federal Government knows when you buy guns. Well, my friends, THEY DO! The above quotation is taken for an e-mail I just received form Jews For the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO). These guys have done a lot of research into this National database maintained by the BATFE. Everybody needs to read their report. Here is the link:

    http://www.jpfo.org/articles-assd/etrace-nj.htm

    When they decide it is time to strike, they'll know where to start looking for all firearms sold in America during the past 20 years. Are you ready??
     
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  2. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    I don't see the link to the article you referenced in the link in your post. Please past the text.
     
  3. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Most have probably never read the Tiahrt amendment that went into effect in 2008. Or the "Trace Data Kit" explained here:

    http://tiahrt.house.gov/uploads/2009%20Trace Data Kit1.pdf

    Excerpt:
    Good luck guys!
     
  5. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    Thanks, Jamie. Somehow I flubbed on the link. I just felt that members should be aware of what is going on. I know that some of them seem to live with their heads in the sand or up somewhere else
     
  6. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    I just felt that members should be aware of what is going on. I know that some of them seem to live with their heads in the sand or up somewhere else

    Excuse me? This is way old news and your saying we have our heads up our butts?

    Please.
     
  7. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    I have read here on numerous occasions that some think the government does not know what or how many guns that Americans are buying. I have felt for a long time that they DO KNOW and can come and get our guns whenever they are ready to do it. "Knowledge is power", so the better informed we are, the better we will be able to protect our rights. There IS a database of all gun sales (except "face to face"), so we have to accept that fact and proceed accordingly.
     
  8. wichaka

    wichaka Wa State Well-Known Member

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    Any firearm purchased thru a FFL is recorded...so what's the excitement about again?
     
  9. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Hi Wichaka, :)

    I've read supposed authoritative posts on this board which claim that

    1. The paperwork with the FFL stays only with that FFL unless LE requests a copy of it. That way, the feds know only what dealer bought it unless they follow up on a particular gun, and/or

    2. A copy of the FFL paperwork goes only to the State Police who destroy it after five years.

    Just sayin'... :)
     
  10. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    I believe it says right on the FFL form (that a purchaser fills out when he buys a firearm), that the dealer must retain it for 20 years. If the dealer closes, then he must forward ALL of the FFL forms to the BATFE. I personally know one dealer that has ALL of their forms used during the last 30+ years.
    Also, thank you ZeroRing, for fixing my boo-boo. I didn't know how to do that.
     
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    nixuser nw Member

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    just buy ftf
     
  12. michaels

    michaels oregon Active Member

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    The same govt. that couldn't help it's own people during hurricane katrina?

    I have strong feelings of doubt on their competence.
     
  13. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    CNN Headline 2012

    "National Firearms Confiscation Act Coincides with Incredible Rash of Tragic Boating Accidents." :laugh:
     
  14. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    Just in case you don't already have enough to worry about, the BATFE is going to share this database with ALL of the WORLD"S police agencys!
     
  15. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Wow...sometimes the only advice you can give someone is to serious consider having their meds adjusted...or perhaps to buy a larger hat. The tinfoil one they have seems a bit too snug.
     
  16. CEF1959

    CEF1959 Willamette Valley, Oregon New Member

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    I'll tell you this: If the government wants to round up guns, it will start at the homes of CHL holders. Low-hanging fruit first.

    But if you are dead set against the gov't knowing you own firearms, it's easy. Just follow these 10 simple rules:

    1. Don't get a CHL.
    2. Don't get a hunting license.
    3. Don't buy a firearm through a FFL.
    4. Don't buy ammo or shooting-related stuff with a credit or debit card.
    5. Don't sign up on gunbroker.com.
    6. Don't join the NRA.
    7. Don't order any gun or hunting related material off the internet.
    8. Don't subscribe to shooting or hunting magazines.
    9. Don't let anyone know you own a firearm. And, most importantly:
    10. Don't subscribe or post to this site.

    As long as you've never done any of those things, you're fine.
     
  17. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    The point being, they already know who has the guns. It's just a matter of what you're willing to do if they come for them.
     
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    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    I'm not thoroughly convinced that the government was very interested in helping Katrina victims. They moved like snails (This seems to be standard government policy) while religious groups and-yes-even Walmart started doing all in their power to help the victims.
     
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    elsullo Portland Oregon New Member

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    It is a sad truth that any weapon leaving a pawnshop has to have a background check, and thus gets a de-facto registration to the owner. Last year I had a lean time and had to pawn and redeem two of my favorite unregistered guns, alas! Now they are on record.


    AS for New Orleans, it was a highly Democratic Party majority city with a Democrat (idiotic) mayor in a state with a (lame) Democrat governor. Oh, yes, it was a majority poor black city also. Not big Bush fans to begin with.

    The Federal emergency relief burocracy would not begin to move without a signed statement from Lousiana's Democrat Governor---but she did not know that and they did not TELL her. TWO DAYS were lost waiting for a piece of paper while the Feds sat on their Republican hands and grinned at each other about all of those suffering poor black people in a half-drowned city. TO THIS DAY most of the flood victims have not gotten their insurance or relief checks.........................elsullo :angry:
     
  20. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Do you or anyone you know honestly believe that?

    And the leftists you are so fond of have the unmitigated gall to call me a right-wing whack-job?

    Man some people are messed UP!