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[ma96782]

FYI....

Gov. David Ige calls for tourism halt for 30 days amid coronavirus pandemic

Aloha, Mark

PS....this week my sister was suppose to travel to HNL for a wedding. She canceled. Lucky for her Hawaiian Airlines gave her full credit.

 

[bolus]

FYI....

Gov. David Ige calls for tourism halt for 30 days amid coronavirus pandemic

Aloha, Mark

PS....this week my sister was suppose to travel to HNL for a wedding. She canceled. Lucky for her Hawaiian Airlines gave her full credit.

That's the guy that said I have plenty of protective equipment while Im using my own 4 year old mask. He is the same guy that could not tell the public the nuclear missile alert was wrong because he forgot his twitter password.

telling idiots to not do something does not stop idiots. They are still trying to figure out how to do temperature screenings at the airports. They have had months and they cant figure out HOW TO TAKE TEMPERATURES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE FLYING IN FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.

I spoke to one of my patients who is French has family in France. They are piling bodies in the bathrooms of the morgue because they dont have space for them.

My only regret of having my government fail so bad and likely kill me is that I cant take the tyrants with me.

 

[CountryGent]

There is no way I would be traveling now or any time until there is some kind of handle on this thing. On my lengthy to do list is to see about booking tickets for a rather wacky cruise we had already planned towards the very end of this year. Hopefully the rates will be better as that industry is reeling. But getting on a plane or a ship now if I don't have to? No way.

 

[wp4]

That's the guy that said I have plenty of protective equipment while Im using my own 4 year old mask. He is the same guy that could not tell the public the nuclear missile alert was wrong because he forgot his twitter password.

telling idiots to not do something does not stop idiots. They are still trying to figure out how to do temperature screenings at the airports. They have had months and they cant figure out HOW TO TAKE TEMPERATURES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE FLYING IN FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.

I spoke to one of my patients who is French has family in France. They are piling bodies in the bathrooms of the morgue because they dont have space for them.

My only regret of having my government fail so bad and likely kill me is that I cant take the tyrants with me.

How old are you? Do you have existing health problems? I'm surprised to hear you say your likely to die...

 

[bbbass]

Disinfection of reusable elastomeric respirators by health care workers: A feasibility study and development of standard operating procedures

This was a feasibility study in a Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center to develop a standard operating procedure (SOP) to be used by health c…

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but they only say to wipe off the plastic shell surrounding the filter and set aside... thought that was odd they don't give guidelines on how long to keep reusing them.

Seems like they should. They are particle filters and have a fixed rate based on hours/min of use not matter in what environment. Of course, If exposed to dirt, dust, etc, they wouldn't last very long.

 

[bbbass]

How old are you? Do you have existing health problems? I'm surprised to hear you say your likely to die...

He is a Doc... in other countries, the health care workers have been hit hard and dying off with regularity at any age.

 

[wp4]

Seems like they should. They are particle filters and have a fixed rate based on hours/min of use not matter in what environment. Of course, If exposed to dirt, dust, etc, they wouldn't last very long.

Quick thread derail -

I agree. When used for protection in a dusty environment they get changed when saturated with dirt.

But for biological protection, they won't get dirty... I can't find any information about how long they are effective at filtering biological particles out.

My plan is to swap them out fairly often after use, and just let it sit by itself for a couple weeks... any virus that would have been on it should be inactive by then.

I thought about ozone sterilization but it looks like O3 reacts to polypropylene and breaks it down. That's the material these are made out of.
UV would be better but it may break down polypropylene too, and it probably doesn't penetrate very far into filter media - if any when covered with plastic.

Who friggin knows, I'm not wearing the dang thing yet anyway, figured I'd wait till it looks like we are in a hot zone (ER starts hopping).

 

[bolus]

How old are you? Do you have existing health problems? I'm surprised to hear you say your likely to die...

50ish with Asthma. Doctors in china dying because higher exposure volumes to patients. We only have 300 ICU beds for 1.4 million with 40 ventilators for the entire state. My island has 9 and I guess we have 2-3 planes that can transport critically ill patients. 10% patients need critical care. So 90 patients here get sick we've overwhelmed our ability to care for them assuming the beds were already empty.

So I'm putting my chances of death at 10% in the next 3 months. The odds of me getting a ventilator if I need one are 18000:1. I've accepted that and decided not to quit and hunker at home because I dont have an emergency fund to last long enough to wait for this to pass and find a new job.

I blame this 100% on my state government who had the chance of isolating us but wanted taxes from tourists instead. Italy did the same thing 9 days before they shut the country down. Instead of protecting us they were trying to ram through anti-gun legislation until they got shut down yesterday. I'd much rather die fighting those tyrants than suffocating from a virus.

 

[wp4]

50ish with Asthma. Doctors in china dying because higher exposure volumes to patients. We only have 300 ICU beds for 1.4 million with 40 ventilators for the entire state. My island has 9 and I guess we have 2-3 planes that can transport critically ill patients. 10% patients need critical care. So 90 patients here get sick we've overwhelmed our ability to care for them assuming the beds were already empty.

So I'm putting my chances of death at 10% in the next 3 months. The odds of me getting a ventilator if I need one are 18000:1. I've accepted that and decided not to quit and hunker at home because I dont have an emergency fund to last long enough to wait for this to pass and find a new job.

I blame this 100% on my state government who had the chance of isolating us but wanted taxes from tourists instead. Italy did the same thing 9 days before they shut the country down. Instead of protecting us they were trying to ram through anti-gun legislation until they got shut down yesterday. I'd much rather die fighting those tyrants than suffocating from a virus.

I hope your stats deter anyone that reads them from trying to travel there.

I'm very sorry to hear the position your in... 10% chance of dying is still 90% chance of living, don't forget that.

I don't understand how more exposure to the virus = a more lethal case when you do get sick... isn't exposure = exposure?

I can understand the probability of getting sick going way up with more exposure, but how does probability of dying go up too?

 

[bbbass]

But for biological protection, they won't get dirty... I can't find any information about how long they are effective at filtering biological particles out.

I quite disagree, sorry.

The P100 filter screens out "particles" larger than 30microns. Dust is getting close to that at 20microns and dust mites floating in the air are .3mm.

There is more particulate in the air than we think. It's not clean. The filter will eventually clog even if it's not the virus/bacteria/germs that it's clogged with...

How long are p100 filters good for?
"Once the filter is opened, it should compulsorily be changed within 6 months even if it is not used. Even when the cartridge filter is not in use, if it is open, it will keep on absorbing contaminants from the environment. If the filter is not opened and is safely stored, they have a shelf life of up to 5 years"

And from a different site:

The useful life of filters and cartridges is not fixed. In the case of the 3M 2097 P100 (HEPA) filters, we have two elements to consider: the filter and the charcoal layer.


The P100 HEPA (which stands for High-Efficiency Particulate Arresting) filters trap dust and particles like a strainer. Once the filters have successfully blocked a large amount of particulate matter, they still won't let that material into your lungs. They do however start allowing less air to past through, and breathing will become more and more difficult.


You may not notice it at first, but as the filters clog up, it will become harder to suck in a breath. Trust us, you'll notice eventually. That's when you know it's time to replace the filters.


As we mentioned, the 3M 2097 pancake filters also have a thin layer of charcoal pressed inside. The charcoal is there to absorb smells and odors. It works like a sponge. And like a sponge, there is a limit to how much it can hold. Once the filters have soaked up all the organic vapors they can, you will start to taste or smell the offending item through your mask. Once you start to smell the things you are trying to block out, it is time to change your filter.


Only you can tell if it is becoming difficult to draw a breath, or if smelly vapors are making their way through your mask. Now that you are aware of the capabilities and limitations of these filters, you'll recognize the signs that it is time for replacement.



Note: edit to add... I wore HEPA filters in crawlspaces, and dust filters in attics, for years going under houses a couple of hours a day 6 days a week performing home inspections... yeah, it's a bit dustier in a clean crawlspace but not so much if a good plastic barrier is down. Trust me, they do get clogged and breathing does become difficult... you'll know when it needs to be replaced, and they cannot be washed out or otherwise recovered.

 

[bolus]

I hope your stats deter anyone that reads them from trying to travel there.

I'm very sorry to hear the position your in... 10% chance of dying is still 90% chance of living, don't forget that.

I don't understand how more exposure to the virus = a more lethal case when you do get sick... isn't exposure = exposure?

I can understand the probability of getting sick going way up with more exposure, but how does probability of dying go up too?

No idea. that's the theory on why a number of otherwise healthy chinese doctors were dying. We got several docs in Seattle that are sick in the ICU from covid right now from their exposures using real PPE.

Normally I'd say amount of exposure does not matter. Perhaps more virus setting off the cytokine storm in the lungs at one time instead of by replication in the cells and release. That science is beyond me.

There is a post-exposure prophylaxis study going on in U of MN right now so I'll sign up for that with my first confirmed exposures. THey are using hydroxychloroquine.

 

[bbbass]

Well, I would have thought it was a straight line risk factor... the more time spent exposed, the greater chance of being infected = a greater chance of dying due to whatever the mortality rate is... I don't think the mortality rate is higher for health workers, I just think their exposure rates are higher. For example, in EU countries, staff is working overtime and roundtheclock huge exposure. Masks are not 100% effective due to leaks, poor fit, etc. And they don't know all the methods of transmission.

Don't know about China, but it's got to be like playing Russian Roulette... think how many docs/nurses were infected from patients with Ebola!!!

 

[wp4]

I quite disagree, sorry.

The P100 filter screens out "particles" larger than 30microns. Dust is getting close to that at 20microns and dust mites floating in the air are .3mm.

There is more particlurate (sp) in the air than we think. It's not clean. The filter will eventually clog even if it's not the virus/bacteria/germs that it's clogged with...

How long are p100 filters good for?
"Once the filter is opened, it should compulsorily be changed within 6 months even if it is not used. Even when the cartridge filter is not in use, if it is open, it will keep on absorbing contaminants from the environment. If the filter is not opened and is safely stored, they have a shelf life of up to 5 years"

Yes, I agree they will eventually become clogged with use in a fairly dust free environment. But that will take a lot longer than if used 4 hours per day sanding cabinets. Instructions say 40 hours of use or 30 days max in that environment- whichever comes first.

But if breathing in a fairly dust free environment I would expect them to last longer.

If I'm not breathing through it at all - not pulling particles into it, I mean - If I crack open the bag but don't use the filter, I have a hard time believing 6 months later its garbage... could be wrong though I guess.

A lot of p100 filters have extra filtering capability for organic vapors, etc. and I would expect that vapor absorbing feature to begin to diminish as soon as the bag is opened. Maybe after 6 months of air exposure that feature is gone.
But the particulate part of the filter to get clogged up just sitting there? I dunno...

Thread derail over!

 

[bbbass]

Yes, I agree they will eventually become clogged with use in a fairly dust free environment. But that will take a lot longer than if used 4 hours per day sanding cabinets. Instructions say 40 hours of use or 30 days max in that environment- whichever comes first.

But if breathing in a fairly dust free environment I would expect them to last longer.

If I'm not breathing through it at all - not pulling particles into it, I mean - If I crack open the bag but don't use the filter, I have a hard time believing 6 months later its garbage... could be wrong though I guess.

A lot of p100 filters have extra filtering capability for organic vapors, etc. and I would expect that vapor absorbing feature to begin to diminish as soon as the bag is opened. Maybe after 6 months of air exposure that feature is gone.
But the particulate part of the filter to get clogged up just sitting there? I dunno...

Thread derail over!

I agree with all.

 

[bbbass]

 

[Retired Guy]

The Hale Koa hotel in Waikiki just shut down and are asking guests to leave as soon as they can. Will reopen 15 April. I suspect we will be seeing more hotels shutting down.

 

[bbbass]

The Hale Koa hotel in Waikiki just shut down and are asking guests to leave as soon as they can. Will reopen 15 April. I suspect we will be seeing more hotels shutting down.

Yeah, Vegas is shutting down too. Some mobsters gonna go hungry...

 

[OldBroad44]

Even if you can get to Hawaii without getting sick, there's a large risk you may not be able to get back. Do you want to risk being stranded maybe for months, paying whatever others demand for food and lodging, which may be very different from prices you're quoted now?

There are reports Trump has been discussing cancelling flights to entire states. And quarantining entire states might happen.

I just cancelled a trip I was going to take in late april. I figure even if I could get from oregon to NY and back with nobody sick on the plane, its a near certainty the planes themselves are going to be contaminated. The virus can live for days in dried up droplets on surfaces. The mucus in the droplets stabilizes the virus. No way do I believe that there will be adequate decontamination between flights.

Also, many who get the virus show no symptoms and can run around feeling fine and spreading it.

Most important argument. Do you wanna be separated by a whole ocean from your closets full of guns, ammo, and toilet paper?

 

[toywin12]

@bolus if you need supplies, send me a list and an address and I will try and find it here locally and ship them to you.

 

[bolus]

@bolus if you need supplies, send me a list and an address and I will try and find it here locally and ship them to you.

I appreciate the offer but the hospitals need it more than me. They will be doing the procedures which aerosolize the the virus putting the emergency and ICU workers at most risk. Im not going to be of any help in an ICU so we need to protect those front line workers as long as possible more than me.