This not that pronunciation corrections inspired by Sako (Sah Ko)

Actually, where I come from ( Karhkiv, Ukraine) ...
We are planning a trip to Ukraine.
I was working on a student dorm in Vicente Guerrero in 2008 when the work foreman's father visited from Canada. His last name was Kozak, and thinking it was how Cossack was spelled in the old country, I asked if his family had come from Russia. His face turned beet red, eyes squinted and - through clenched teeth with strong emphasis on each syllable - responded NOOOO, from Ukraine! 80 years old and built like a steel fire hydrant. Great guy and we laughed about it later.
 

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I was working on a student dorm in Vicente Guerrero in 2008 when the work foreman's father visited from Canada. His last name was Kozak, and thinking it was how Cossack was spelled in the old country, I asked if his family had come from Russia. His face turned beet red, eyes squinted and - through clenched teeth with strong emphasis on each syllable - responded NOOOO, from Ukraine! 80 years old and built like a steel fire hydrant. Great guy and we laughed about it later.
I am unable to tell the difference in the accents between the two nations. I have angered more than one Ukrainian by asking him if he was a Russian.
 
Technically, we speak the same language, but culturally are as different as night and day! To a Ukrainian, Russia stole everything from us, to Russians, they claim it's their birth right!
History sides with the Ukraine, but Russians don't let fact get in the way of might! BTW, the original capital city of all of Urasia was just north of present day Odessa, and was moved further north to the ancient city of Kiyyv (pronounced Keeve, ) moden spelling Kive, another Russian bastardation of our lineage!

Put another way, Russians are part of the ancient Prussian culture, and share much with the Germanic and Polish people's, Ukrainians are Slavic, and thus, completely different!
 
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I've had the pleasure of working with both Ukrainians and Russians and could never tell until after several drinks :)

I learned to ask if they were from Ukraine instead of Russia. Every so often I would make a friend that way. Portland has several Ukrainians, so if you hear what sounds like Russian, go ahead and ask where in Ukraine they are from.
You never know...
 
I was working on a student dorm in Vicente Guerrero in 2008 when the work foreman's father visited from Canada. His last name was Kozak, and thinking it was how Cossack was spelled in the old country, I asked if his family had come from Russia. His face turned beet red, eyes squinted and - through clenched teeth with strong emphasis on each syllable - responded NOOOO, from Ukraine! 80 years old and built like a steel fire hydrant. Great guy and we laughed about it later.
Your correct, Kozak is the traditional Slavic spelling, and Ukraine IS the ancient home of the Cossack people. We are Cossack, The original Slavic "Free People, or Wild Lands People" Like the American Indians as it were, we're the original natives of all of Urasia, so, by extension, all native Ukrainians are Cossack in the traditional meaning! If you ever get the chance to visit, You MUST see Odessa and Kiyyv, like Paris, only much more beautiful and more ornate!
 

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As an aside, we have a large - that is to say, couple of thousand-strong - Ukrainian population in our nearby city of Peterborough. Many moons ago, 1997 to be exact, one of my students at the INTEL school at which I was Chief Instructor was a Major in the Ukrainian Air Force, the very first EVER to attend an INTEL course anywhere in the UK. We were sooooooooooooo proud of him. He was, in fact, a transferee from the former Soviet Air Force, and was based in Ukraine where he had met and married a local lady. They had one daughter. I won't give his name away, but the two of us who were fluent Russian speakers called him 'Hawkeye', so any Russian speakers here might guess what his name might be. We all went up to help the local Ukrainians to celebrate New Year, something that most who stayed the course still have problems recalling for reasons of the colossal amount of alcoholic consumption that seems to pervade any Ukrainian celebration, even a religious one.

Sadly, we lost touch with him over the years, which is a great shame, as he had a heart of gold and the way thing are, we often express concern as to how things panned out for him and his little family.
 

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No sir! This wasn't about you! I was making a general statement about one of my pet peeves that includes the "anonymous experts" who show up without any Bona Fides and then tell me (or others) how wrong I am. I humble beg you forgiveness if you thought that my comment was directed at you in any way. It wasn't. We are planning a trip to Ukraine. My friend Vladimir has encouraged us to go. He and his family arrived here in the '90's. I think that most Americans understand that folks fro Ukraine and many other eastern countries came here for religious freedom and to enjoy the opportunities available in the land of the free. I am a first generation American from my mother's side of the family. We are a nation of immigrants.
Guess somebody else is gunna hafta wear that shoe.
 

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This. We know John Garand pronounced his own name with emphasis on the first sylable, not the last. BUT, you say it that way to most gun people in the US, they will think you are the one who is wrong. Popular usage kind of thing.

About that list in the OP. If I'm not mistaken, the name Luger does not have an umlaut over the u. At least Georg Luger didn't put one in.

There are a number of crappy, contemporary American consumer products that have a useless umlaut thrown willy-nilly over a vowel. Thinking it looks cool, I guess.

Carbine vs. carbine. To my ears, CAR-byne is an archaeic pronunciation. When two pronunciations are acceptable per the dictionary, usually one or the other is falling out of use.

Thank you for educating me on the correct pronunciation of Franchi, meplat, and Shilen. If I can just remember those updates and use them, many people will still think I'm wrong because that's how they say themselves say them. Or that I'm being a pretentious turd for talking down.

I take issue with the OP's pronunciation of "Star" as "estar." Where does that come from? An Hispanic trying to say star in English?? The Spanish word for star is estrella. The Basque word for star is izarra. The English word/name Star on a pistol was for commercial export purposes. The actual name of the company that made Star was Echevarria.
Similar discussions happen in car enthusiast circles; someone will say it’s not Porsh or Por-shuh, it’s Poh-shuh (there’s even Youtube tutorials about it!). I have to think about what a tool one would sound like if they actually said something like, “Yeah I took the Poh-shuh in for an oil change the other day.”
 

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Similar discussions happen in car enthusiast circles; someone will say it’s not Porsh or Por-shuh, it’s Poh-shuh (there’s even Youtube tutorials about it!). I have to think about what a tool one would sound like if they actually said something like, “Yeah I took the Poh-shuh in for an oil change the other day.”
It's PLY-YERS!
 

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Similar discussions happen in car enthusiast circles; someone will say it’s not Porsh or Por-shuh, it’s Poh-shuh (there’s even Youtube tutorials about it!). I have to think about what a tool one would sound like if they actually said something like, “Yeah I took the Poh-shuh in for an oil change the other day.”
I believe that it's pronounced "EX-PEN-SIVE."
 
I don't know why, but I have never been all that impressed with Porsche, it's not like they are not cool or fast, or fun, but when I drove a 911, It was disappointing! I tried a 944 turbo, Meh, and the 928s was fast, but heavy as hell! Ended up with a couple of Mercedes Benz and never looked back! BMW, better have a good relationship with your mechanic, because he is going to have it more then you, same as a Jaguar!
 

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Over here, with little to look forward to except more woe, I've decided to PX my Porsche for an SL of some kind, either a 350 or the 500, since it will likely be my last small car.

I had a Cali-spect 380SL for fifteen years, and loved it to bits, but the need for EPA-specialised components, which had to be imported from CA, made it a bit of a money pit, to say the least. Even the pollen filters were different from the Euro versions, and when I hit a pheasant driving home from the range one day, and trashed the spoiler and lower aircon intake which was different to the Euro version, I called it enough.

Here is is, and even with the Naderite fenders it was a great-looking car -

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