Stupid gun counter rules

[edzz]

The gun I just bought from a big name store involved them getting pissy that I locked the slide back. I wasn't having any of his Bologna and went on fondling it as I pleased. Screw them and their rules, they can kick me out and I'll buy the exact same model somewhere else. If you're quick, you can field strip a lot of things to inspect before they even know what you're doing

I used to know an A hole that thought it was funny to field strip new guns on the counter than claim a call from wife and leave the salesperson with a disassembled gun. I wonder where these rules come from.
Than there are the guys that like to dry fire high end unturned revolvers.

 

[BBgun]

I like to look under the hood and check the oil of a car I'm going to buy, I don't get upset that someone else may popped the hood on it too and ask for the model in back no one has ever touched. Besides every gun has been test fired at the factory so it's unrealistic to think you'll get a gun no one has played with before.

 

[PNWguy]

TBH, I've never heard of anybody taking a gun down to check if it's OK. What, exactly, are you looking for?

Maybe a defective barrel?

Wish I had inspected my new S&W PC Shield more closely before I brought it home...

 

[OldBroad44]

I like to look under the hood and check the oil of a car I'm going to buy, I don't get upset that someone else may popped the hood on it too and ask for the model in back no one has ever touched. Besides every gun has been test fired at the factory so it's unrealistic to think you'll get a gun no one has played with before.

I agree that others are going to have played with the gun. But I'm usually buying fine revolvers. And I hate to think about some idiot doing cylinder flips before I got there.

On the other hand, Ive had people say "no" when I asked permission to dry fire, and only back off when I made it clear that would be a deal killer. No way would I buy without trying action.

 

[Stomper]

That's what class-action lawsuits are for!

 

[TTSX]

I used to know an A hole that thought it was funny to field strip new guns on the counter than claim a call from wife and leave the salesperson with a disassembled gun. I wonder where these rules come from.
Than there are the guys that like to dry fire high end unturned revolvers.

Frankly, I would like to shake that guy's hand. I won't apologize for wanting to look closer at something I'm about to spend a week's pay on and the staff should be understanding of that, as well as better trained on what they're selling to better help the customers. Take only a couple minutes to read a manual and I know I've seen employees jaw jacking longer than that

 

[TTSX]

That's what class-action lawsuits are for!

SUE SUE SUE!!!

 

[thorborg]

I would not want buy a new gun that was field striped by just anyone, especially most big box store employees. Just removing and replacing the slide stop on a 1911 can leave marks if not careful, among other things. That would make it "used" in my mind and devalued.
OK, rack the slide, inspect a locked open slide, even drop the hammer, that should give fair indications to most who are reasonably knowledgeable what they're holding. If not knowledgeable, field striping isn't going to help you.

 

[PNWguy]

My only LGS for 50 miles has zip ties and trigger locks on ALL of their long guns. No way to properly evaluate or inspect a lever-action with that nonsense on there.

 

[xlsbob]

I wouldn't spend my money for a new gun that the store has let people strip down and play with. I want new in box that others haven't played with or I can go elsewhere. Used you spend your money and take your chances, new means new.

 

[Certaindeaf]

I wouldn't spend my money for a new gun that the store has let people strip down and play with. I want new in box that others haven't played with or I can go elsewhere. Used you spend your money and take your chances, new means new.

Yea, screw them display items.
To be honest, back when I was a punk kid I'd have the clerk fetch like five nib's from the back and I'd eye f them all like crazy and usually take the highest candidate apart.. if they were all about perfect, of course there's like wood grain, cool serial numbers and stuff like that that clinched it.

 

[cigars]

Ah, that's what happens when you have a set of manufacturers' recommendations, and not LAWS on how guns are to be made and tested prior to selling to the unwitting customer.

In the USA, your SAAMI has no legal powers. It is simply an organisation that lists a set of recommendations for standards in firearms manufacturing. Here in the fourteen CIP signaturee nations, where every single firearm is independently examined and subjected to test proof firing, your defective barrel would not have gotten past the primary view inspector.

So is that a good thing or a bad thing then? Not sure where you are going with your comment.
With hundreds of millions of guns here in the US, something must be working right. Manufacturers test fire guns before they leave the factory. We have market driven industry standards that ensure quality and not some ministry telling us how to live our lives and buy our guns. So far, it seems to be working here. If there's a problem with a new purchase, we send it back to the manufacturer and they take care of it. If they don't, they are not likely to remain in business. In the US, raw numbers drive quality control.

 

[titsonritz]

I wouldn't spend my money for a new gun that the store has let people strip down and play with. I want new in box that others haven't played with or I can go elsewhere. Used you spend your money and take your chances, new means new.

Pretty much.

 

[RVTECH]

This will be a never ending battle with guns - we complain when they are zip tied and trigger locked and cannot cycle/dry fire them (I don't like it either but at least this reduces or eliminates ANY damage due to improper handling) - and then we complain about them being improperly handled/dry fired when we are looking to buy - yet some STILL want to be able to field strip to inspect & test but allowing this for anyone INCREASES the chance of damage.
Hey I am right there with everyone on this but it is still somewhat of a 'vicious circle'.

 

[cigars]

My point, Sir, is that you MAY have market-driven industry standards, but they are NOT legally-binding requirement of conformity, as they are here among the fourteen portable firearms manufacturing nations that are signed up to the CIP.

Here in Europe we have had proof houses, initially set up by gunmakers' guilds to ensure the maintenance of their own manufacturing standards, for so long that they are
part of the institution of gun-making. They have
gradually, over a period of over 450 years, been adopted by the respective governments, who buy and sell arms made in their own countries, and others, to arm their military with firearms that are SAFE to use as intended. Having international standards ensures that all European small arms manufacturers are singing from the same
hymn-sheet.

Not sure where the 'ministry telling us how to live our lives' has anything to do with gun proof. Where did THAT one come from? A political thread of some kind that I'm not privy to? Or what guns to buy - we have a
free choice in a free market. But here in Europe we lack the American proclivity to sue the a$$ off anybody, for anything, so the manufacturers are held responsible for ensuring the quality and safety of their products, and they are required by law to submit their product to the test of gun inspection, and then proofing and inspection
again - that is the Law.

Suffice it to say that every US-made gun sold here in the 14-nation CIP membership has to be subjected to proof before it can be sold to the public.



And of course, every single firearm made by any of the CIP nations coming to the USA is already proofed to the international standard.

Bravo, well said. Pip pip.

 

[User 1234]

Ah, that's what happens when you have a set of manufacturers' recommendations, and not LAWS on how guns are to be made and tested prior to selling to the unwitting customer.

In the USA, your SAAMI has no legal powers. It is simply an organisation that lists a set of recommendations for standards in firearms manufacturing. Here in the fourteen CIP signaturee nations, where every single firearm is independently examined and subjected to test proof firing, your defective barrel would not have gotten past the primary view inspector.

I'm glad that SAAMI specs are not binding laws. When government imposes mandates on firearm manufacturers you end up with California's roster of approved handguns, which is actually a backdoor ban on handguns as impossible requirements are added and even a minor factory move bumps it off roster.

 

[Velzey]

New/used guns disassembled at the gun counter and then scratched or springs lost has helped pay my bills

 

[TTSX]

Sorry, I don't do coded speech. Your 'pip-pip' goes right over my head.

You and everyone else knows he's making a stab at British speech patterns.

 

[DB is Here]

It's Memorial Day y'all. Drink a beer or 5 and let's drop the poking at one another.

 

[Mark W.]

WOW been going to all sorts of Gun shops and sporting goods stores since I was 11-12 I'm now 61. I have bought more then a few firearms through these kinds of sellers. I can't think of a single Handgun I ever thought about field stripping at the counter.