Washington Semiautomatic assault weapons represent a significant technological change - they allowa shooter to fire as fast as they can pull the trigger, ....

[CamoDeafie]

That's why the universal language is violence. Because if your "no" isn't listened to, typically violence is.

So... 1 million+ armed people march unto DC, when?

 

[American123]

It is extremely frustrating talking to people that purport to being incredibly concerned about something, but have nothing to offer than the same slogans and posturing.

The Founding Fathers wrote 2A. Everyone knows that. Don't talk to me like I don't get it.

What's the numbered list in order of importance, in your opinion, that people should be doing?

Secondly, a cursory glance of the interviews available on the internet shows that not everyone knows about the Founding Fathers, and a great many have no concept of the rights acknowledged by the constitution, or the historical reasoning of why they were acknowledged in the first place.

 

[American123]

So... 1 million+ armed people march unto DC, when?

Is a march, violence? People walking and standing around isn't violence.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Is a march, violence? People walking and standing around isn't violence.

No but the results may well turn violent seeing a huge bunch of armed Americans.


Not DC, but Olympia? Not sure. 1960s. Right after GCA if the image sources are right.

 

[Diamondback]

So... 1 million+ armed people march unto DC, when?

Sounds like another J6 Buffalo Jump waiting to happen... and you know the Resuckincucks are about as welcoming of unruly peasants as the Nationalist Socialist Demofascist Arsebandits Party.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Sounds like another J6 Buffalo Jump waiting to happen... and you know the Resuckincucks are about as welcoming of unruly peasants as the Nationalist Socialist Demofascist Arsebandits Party.

That's why the icon. Gun owners can't and won't unify this time around. They'll find excuses to not get involved. I did say "armed" but... you and I both know DC would get locked down, National Guard get called in, Congress gets spurred to kill any and all pro 2A bills; anti2A bills get passed easier

 

[Diamondback]

That's why the icon. Gun owners can't and won't unify this time around. They'll find excuses to not get involved. I did say "armed" but... you and I both know DC would get locked down, National Guard get called in, Congress gets spurred to kill any and all pro 2A bills; anti2A bills get passed easier

Worse, they'd bootstrap it into the "Reichstag Fire" they were trying for with J6 but didn't quite get. Bonus for them, they'd use second time to say "pattern, we have to round up and isolate these ungovernable Deplorable Untermenschen in Konzentrazionslager to protect the rest of us..."

 

[CamoDeafie]

Bit of history. It was the 1960s Black Panthers Party, whose members would walk around openly armed with loaded arms that contributed largely to the passage of the 1968 Gun Control Act, and the death of open carry in many states (particularly California)

 

[sobo]

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Bit of history. It was the 1960s Black Panthers Party, whose members would walk around openly armed with loaded arms that contributed largely to the passage of the 1968 Gun Control Act, and the death of open carry in many states (particularly California)

Welp, they had the right idea, even if they lacked good implementation...

 

[American123]

No but the results may well turn violent seeing a huge bunch of armed Americans.

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Not DC, but Olympia? Not sure. 1960s. Right after GCA if the image sources are right.

Bunch of armed people standing around seems fine to me so long as their muzzle discipline is adequate. If they start being threatening and flagging others that's another matter entirely, shoot-worthy.

But this really isn't a complicated issue. When does the government ever listen to the people? It's when they perceive they will lose their power if they don't. In the case of the birth of the U.S, the King of England didn't listen to what were many attempts to come to a non-violent agreement based on the demands of the colonial representatives. In typical absolute power leads to absolute corruption fashion, the King decided since he was the King he didn't have to make any concessions. In the end, it was only through violence that the Americans achieved their desired result.

As the American political system becomes increasingly corrupt, and that resembling more of an Oligarchy than a Republic, it will be increasingly difficult for reasonable people to achieve desirable results through the framework that the founders designed. They did build in an inherent "safety net" though, because they clearly understood the universal method for getting something done when words failed

 

[CamoDeafie]

They did build in an inherent "safety net" though, because they clearly understood the universal method for getting something done when words failed

A net that's clearly being cut away and in some States, completely done away with, with a few of those States staying defiant to the Bruen Decision.

 

[RX-79G]

What's the numbered list in order of importance, in your opinion, that people should be doing?

Secondly, a cursory glance of the interviews available on the internet shows that not everyone knows about the Founding Fathers, and a great many have no concept of the rights acknowledged by the constitution, or the historical reasoning of why they were acknowledged in the first place.

Off the top of my head:

Removing the partisanship from gun rights. Find and support the candidacy of Democrats that won't support gun control. (Single issue voter? Prove it.)
Intercept bills that will likely pass and replace them with toothless versions that will pass with bipartisan support.
Find and fund talented lawyers that aren't playing to their fans when it comes to legislative legal challenges. (The 1240 lawyers are clearly amateurs.)
Abandon mindless slogans.
Look for allies rather than look to excommunicate those who don't embrace the "party line".
Vote out the old guard in NRA and replace them with real activists.
Embrace black victims of gun control (Philando Castile)
Push out those that mix guns with racism and hate.
Loudly and affirmatively lobby the gun industry to embrace training and responsibility from gun owners.
Blame mental health? Then make sure that your pro-gun legislators actually pass laws that protect us from the mentally ill getting or keeping guns. And that includes suicide.
Lobby the NAACP and ACLU to support the right to self defense.
Raise awareness of how potentially dangerous the US government and military are to the entire world and how US citizens are an armed force that check that power.
Be pro-gun and nice at the same time.

 

[sobo]

A net that's clearly being cut away and in some States, completely done away with, with a few of those States staying defiant to the Bruen Decision.

INVADE AND SUBJUGATE!!!




oh, wait...

 

[CamoDeafie]

State by State might be more effective for the time being. What happened in West Virginia was a good thing; West Virginia anti2a Party backed off.. but it probably would also depend greatly on which State... probably more effective in States at risk of turning anti 2A ("purple")...as opposed to solidly anti 2A States with majority anti-2A control

 

[RX-79G]

A net that's clearly being cut away and in some States, completely done away with, with a few of those States staying defiant to the Bruen Decision.

The Bruen Decision doesn't do what you think it does.

 

[American123]

A net that's clearly being cut away and in some States, completely done away with, with a few of those States staying defiant to the Bruen Decision.

Eh, the issue isn't a matter of firepower. It's not like these people are untouchable, it's just that there has not been a significant effort to touch them. That's primarily because everyday Americans are still finding their lives as law abiding Americans are better than being otherwise.

The government / police don't really keep order. It's the willful act of the masses of millions choosing to remain lawful that keep order. The government / police can't even barely keep a handle on the tiny percentage of Americans that decide to break our most serious laws. If a decent percentage of the population ever decided they were done listening, good luck to any governing body who they were done listening to.

 

[RX-79G]

It's when they perceive they will lose their power if they don't.

There aren't enough people in the US with the power to organize and the will to successfully overthrow this republic.

 

[Diamondback]

INVADE AND SUBJUGATE!!!




oh, wait...

You mean EXACTLY like they did to us?

 

[CamoDeafie]

There aren't enough people in the US with the power to organize and the will to successfully overthrow this republic.

We have the power as codified in the Bill of Rights (not just 2a but also 9th A and 10th A), and as declared in the Declaration of Independence. It is the will to organize that power that's sorely lacking

 

[American123]

Off the top of my head:

Removing the partisanship from gun rights. Find and support the candidacy of Democrat candidates that won't support gun control. (Single issue voter? Prove it.)
Intercept likely bills that will likely pass and replace them with toothless versions that will pass with bipartisan support.
Find and fund talented lawyers that aren't playing to their fans when it comes to legislative legal challenges. (The 1240 lawyers are clearly amateurs.)
Abandon mindless slogans.
Look for allies rather than look to excommunicate those who don't embrace the "party line".
Vote out the old guard in NRA and replace them with real activists.
Embrace black victims of gun control (Philando Castile)
Push out those that mix guns with racism and hate.
Loudly and affirmatively lobby the gun industry to embrace training and responsibility from gun owners.
Blame mental health? Then make sure that your pro-gun legislators actually pass laws that protect us from the mentally ill getting or keeping guns. And that includes suicide.
Lobby the NAACP and ACLU to support the right to self defense.
Raise awareness of how potentially dangerous the US government and military are to the entire world and how US citizens are an armed force that check that power.
Be pro-gun and nice at the same time.

The first line seems suspect, a core tenet of the democrat political agenda is "gun control." In truth it is eliminating gun ownership of American civilians, but they settle for buzz words like "gun control" and "assault weapons," and "universal background checks" for right now. They vote in lockstep and pass whatever legislation they want to whenever they have a supermajority.

Suggesting to support gun rights by voting for democrats… that's difficult not to laugh about. The democrat party isn't even recognizable today compared to what it was just a handful of decades ago. The young members that get the most airtime are Marxists.

Using Seattle as a Micro Example - Seattle voters have had the choices of "Democrat A and Democrat B" for decades. The result has been a crap sandwich no matter how you cut it. The result is almost satirical, because democrats totally control Seattle politics from top to bottom and yet seemingly many voters don't notice that their unwavering ideological predetermined voting patterns have led us exactly to the situation we are in today that so many people claim to be a problem.