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Just deface the serial number before selling it
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My last transfer they charged me $15 to check the rifle I was selling. Then charged the buyer $25 for the transfer. Some shops were $50+. Trying to move guns with a $50 dollar penalty on top really sucks . The A holes are trying to price us out of selling or trading. And the high transfer costs benefit the shops to move their inventory instead.
I think more than a few folks are doing business as usual and pretending it doesn't even exist. Heck, in some parts of the state, the Sheriff and even the prosecutors have said they won't go after this silly law. Now Multnomah County, I'm sure they'd love to catch someone trying to bypass the law.
No one is "Trying" to catch anyone doing anything. BUT, if anyone of us honest, law abiding gun owners sold a gun without the transfer hooey and then later, the person you knew as a good guy, did something illegal with the gun they will be coming after you, for sure. Then they could say, "See, this is why we needed this law".
I don't think I would eve sell etrain a firearm, without the check, and I know, with out a doubt, him to be one of the good guys! You just never know when some gung-ho DA is going looking for someone to make an example with.
No one is "Trying" to catch anyone doing anything. BUT, if anyone of us honest, law abiding gun owners sold a gun without the transfer hooey and then later, the person you knew as a good guy, did something illegal with the gun they will be coming after you, for sure. Then they could say, "See, this is why we needed this law".
I don't think I would eve sell etrain a firearm, without the check, and I know, with out a doubt, him to be one of the good guys! You just never know when some gung-ho DA is going looking for someone to make an example with.
At this point, I'm pretty much done with even doing private sales - it's become such a hassle under SB941, it's not worth it. As for selling to folks I know, I know folks I would trust, even from this site, but as @Alexx1401 pointed out above - what if that gun got stolen and used in a crime? It would still be tied to me without that official transfer.
Just too much risk, it's not worth it.
But, I do believe many folks are still doing it for one of two reasons: 1. they don't care and aren't worried about the possible backlash later and 2. they don't even know about the law - which was evidenced just today when a member in this thread admitted they knew nothing about it - 2 years after it went into effect.
At this point, I'm pretty much done with even doing private sales - it's become such a hassle under SB941, it's not worth it. As for selling to folks I know, I know folks I would trust, even from this site, but as @Alexx1401 pointed out above - what if that gun got stolen and used in a crime? It would still be tied to me without that official transfer.
Just too much risk, it's not worth it.
But, I do believe many folks are still doing it for one of two reasons: 1. they don't care and aren't worried about the possible backlash later and 2. they don't even know about the law - which was evidenced just today when a member in this thread admitted they knew nothing about it - 2 years after it went into effect.
Heck, in some parts of the state, the Sheriff and even the prosecutors have said they won't go after this silly law. Now Multnomah County, I'm sure they'd love to catch someone trying to bypass the law.
Good shops will charge ~$30, all in for a transfer/BCG.
You have to schedule the meet up based on the shops locale & there hours.
So a transfer can take anywhere from 15min to an hour, depending. And that's just my experience.
Still handy to do some trading, if the time & cost factor in. If the time and cost doesn't factor in to the overall value of the gun, then it's not worth it.
Having done a number of private sales post SB941, it sounds like you've got it. It goes on the FFL's books, just like they're bringing in a transfer from an out-of-state vendor. And, they charge you for that too. So now you pay $10 for the BGC plus whatever transfer fee the FFL wants to charge you. The good ones only charge $10-$15 on top of the BGC fee - the bad ones, I've seen up to $75 to conduct a private party transfer.
And no, you can't call the SP yourself, with ONE exception - if you are conducting the sale at a recognized gun show, you may call the SP yourself and bypass the FFL.
Why the need for the FFL holder? To make it harder on us. To cost us more $$. To impose a form of gun control on us without calling it gun control.
Previously living in a state w/ BGC & form requirements for private transfers of handguns, this was a little tricky when the potential purchaser fails the BCG. Technically, before the handgun can be transferred back to the seller and off the FFLs books, the FFL would have to perform a BCG & forms on the seller. As a result, many sellers would include the condition that the buyer pays both FFL fees in the event of a failed transfer.
For long guns, even though a BCG wasn't required, many sellers would require the buyer to have a valid state resident CHL with the assumption being that if you have a CHL, you've passed a BCG for the CHL & have not been convicted of a felony since, which would result in the sheriff revoking your CHL.
It all sounds like a PITA and it was a lot of confusion when the laws first went into effect. I've done a bunch of private transfers as a seller & buyer under that scheme without a hitch. Most FFLs charged more for private transfers but some don't; $45 was about the most expensive I experienced but $25 was typical.
What would worry me a lot more is not selling it to the guy I know is good. It's what happens if it gets stolen from the friend. The friend really can't report it without risking admitting he ended up with it on the wrong side of this law. If he tells you, then you could try but that could be a PITA. If neither of you say anything then good chance it's going to end up at a crime. Then when they come to you and ask how your gun ended up at a crime what do you say? New law is bogus and stupid. Trying to ignore it and or violate it probably also just begging for trouble.
At this point, I'm pretty much done with even doing private sales - it's become such a hassle under SB941, it's not worth it. As for selling to folks I know, I know folks I would trust, even from this site, but as @Alexx1401 pointed out above - what if that gun got stolen and used in a crime? It would still be tied to me without that official transfer.
Just too much risk, it's not worth it.
But, I do believe many folks are still doing it for one of two reasons: 1. they don't care and aren't worried about the possible backlash later and 2. they don't even know about the law - which was evidenced just today when a member in this thread admitted they knew nothing about it - 2 years after it went into effect.
Important to establish a good working relationship with an FFL. Also a good reason to pass on it when a sellerHaving done a number of private sales post SB941, it sounds like you've got it. It goes on the FFL's books, just like they're bringing in a transfer from an out-of-state vendor. And, they charge you for that too. So now you pay $10 for the BGC plus whatever transfer fee the FFL wants to charge you. The good ones only charge $10-$15 on top of the BGC fee - the bad ones, I've seen up to $75 to conduct a private party transfer.
And no, you can't call the SP yourself, with ONE exception - if you are conducting the sale at a recognized gun show, you may call the SP yourself and bypass the FFL.
Why the need for the FFL holder? To make it harder on us. To cost us more $$. To impose a form of gun control on us without calling it gun control.
Exceptions, Exemptions, Non-Applicable Circumstances
1. "Transfer" does not include: The temporary provision of a firearm to a transferee if the transferor has no reason to believe the transferee is prohibited from possessing a firearm or intends to use the firearm in the commission of a crime, and the provision occurs:
highlighted for your viewing pleasure!
SO, to toss a Monkey Wrench in the works, How did this woman break the law exactly?!??!?!??!
This provision in the law should have let her off the hook, but as has been seen, that isn't the case here, they chose to make an example out of her, despite the clean language in the laws exceptions
This law IS only for use against the law abiding, not the other way around, it makes no means available to stop a felon, only after a felony happens, AND, they make a felon out of a good guy for nothing if that good guy believes point #1 listed above!
Thanks etrain16, that really clears it all up for me now
So glad I left this stupid state!
Yeah, but you live in the state that passed mag restrictions and forced Magpul to move! Sounds like your state is headed the way of OR, WA and CA Didn't CO used to be gun friendly? I know Hickenpooper is no friend to gun owners.
She broke the law because none of the exceptions were met.highlighted for your viewing pleasure!
SO, to toss a Monkey Wrench in the works, How did this woman break the law exactly?!??!?!??!
This provision in the law should have let her off the hook, but as has been seen, that isn't the case here, they chose to make an example out of her, despite the clean language in the laws exceptions
This law IS only for use against the law abiding, not the other way around, it makes no means available to stop a felon, only after a felony happens, AND, they make a felon out of a good guy for nothing if that good guy believes point #1 listed above!
Thanks etrain16, that really clears it all up for me now
So glad I left this stupid state!