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I've had more than one motorcycling friend put in the hospital by deer.Leave the wolves and coyotes alone. Shoot the real dangers like mountain lions, deer, elk, etc.
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I've had more than one motorcycling friend put in the hospital by deer.Leave the wolves and coyotes alone. Shoot the real dangers like mountain lions, deer, elk, etc.
Well, deer are the deadliest animal in N America.I've had more than one motorcycling friend put in the hospital by deer.
And probably would've saved you a bunch of money to boot.I love it when people read 1 book and become experts in natural resource management. If I'd have known it was that easy I wouldn't have wasted 3 years in forestry school.
Maybe put up some poach-free zone signs.The state of Oregon is inept at stopping poaching as well. Maybe we should start hunting poachers - any and all.
You're buying into what the animal rights groups are telling you!Always a conspiracy somewhere. To me its as much about the elk grazing for the same forage as cattle do. Thats why the elk populations are down not the wolves.
I disagree. It is what I have seenYou're buying into what the animal rights groups are telling you!
There is a grain of truth...IMO....to what JRuby is saying.You're buying into what the animal rights groups are telling you!
Except I've been deer and elk hunting in NE Oregon for over 30 years. Cattle grazing had always been present during that time in parts of the Umatilla National Forest.I disagree. It is what I have seen
That's fantastic news, really. But as more wolf packs head to Central Oregon, things will unfortunately change. If you look at the ODFW map of "confirmed" wolf packs covering the elk and deer units I hunt (54 and 56, mostly), you can see they're ground zero for several packs. Not as much fun hunting any more.There is a grain of truth...IMO....to what JRuby is saying.
I hunt a private property in Central Oregon. Almost 30K acres. I have been going there since 1992.
Previous manager ran cattle 24/7 from top to bottom, Deschutes to Hwy 97. Great deer hunting, but it was very uncommon to see elk.
New manager took over in 2009 and immediately changed the program. Pulled cattle out of the top end, ran a rotation on the low end, and fed out of feedlots in the winter. Complete 180-degree change in elk numbers.
Three years ago, I sat on a high point and glassed 14 bulls in a single morning without a moo cow in sight. My story is anecdotal. I don't have another 30k acres for an experiment control, but I am firmly convinced that elk and cattle don't mix well.
P.S........and we shoot predators on sight.
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A lot of the Central Oregon units are heavily comprised of private lands.....where wolves are not tolerated as well as they are on NFS lands.That's fantastic news, really. But as more wolf packs head to Central Oregon, things will unfortunately change. If you look at the ODFW map of "confirmed" wolf packs covering the elk and deer units I hunt (54 and 56, mostly), you can see they're ground zero for several packs. Not as much fun hunting any more.
In addition, it appears many of the remaining elk have moved to lower elevations out of the mountains, closer to people (and grazing cattle), so they can try to get away from the wolves.
Oregon already did a lot of damage to big game hunting in NE Oregon, first in the mid 1990s with the banning of hound hunting for predators, then later by not doing anything with all the wolves. That's probably why in part ODFW has to come up with "premium hunts" for people to apply for (throw money at) -- to offset a drop in tag and perhaps license revenue.As much as I don't appreciate the negative impact wolves have had on my elk hunting, I've decided not to get too worked up about it. After all, hunters are a smaller minority than gun owners in Oregon, so how long before the next ballot measure is passed outlawing hunting? Emboldened by the shaft voters gave gun owners in the lovely Ballot Measure 114, it won't be long before the real wolves take aim at hunting. Oh well. There are better hunting states to reside in.
I hear you. The elk hunting I was referring to was in the Imnaha Unit. I've bow hunted over there 8 of the last 10 years and it has gone steadily downhill.Oregon already did a lot of damage to big game hunting in NE Oregon, first in the mid 1990s with the banning of hound hunting for predators, then later by not doing anything with all the wolves. That's probably why in part ODFW has to come up with "premium hunts" for people to apply for (throw money at) -- to offset a drop in tag and perhaps license revenue.
Very well said!This is true and I believe I read one time they are some sort of a cross between the timberwolf and some sort of larger, and more aggressive Canadian variety.
Reality being what it is there has never been a 'natural order' of things and all animals have to either adapt to their environment to survive or they will eventually disappear.
Wolves had their chance environmentally and apparently couldn't survive. Compare them to coyotes which can survive nearly anywhere and anything - including humans - and are doing quite well.
'Forced' reintroduction of a non-indigenous species of any animal, and then having to monitor it's lifestyle and movements to ensure it's safety and survival is hardly 'natural'. It's nothing more than an arrogant display of power by leftist liberal earth muffins.