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Obomba Says No More Fishing by Dec.9

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by aslinged, Oct 14, 2009.

  1. aslinged

    aslinged Southern Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I know this is a gun forum but there must be some fishermen here and if this actually happens, well I don't know what to say. As I understand it some sort of ban would apply to coastal, inland and great lake areas. As in no fishing them at all. Don't shoot the messenger, spread it far and wide.

    http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/articles/feds_to_60_million.html


    "IRVINE, Calif. USA – October 5, 2009 – A recently published administration document outlines a structure that could result in closures of sport fishing in salt and freshwater areas across America. The White House created an Interagency Oceans Policy Task Force in June and gave them only 90 days to develop a comprehensive federal policy for all U.S. coastal, ocean and Great Lakes waters. Under the guise of ‘protecting’ these areas, the current second phase of the Task Force direction is to develop zoning which may permanently close vast areas of fishing waters nationwide. This is to be completed by December 9, 2009."
     
  2. simpleguy

    simpleguy Clackamas Active Member

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    Is there anything this guy won't do to try to screw up this country? I though I was not a fan of a lot the last administration did.......this guy SCARES me!

    He is like Superman in reverse.....CRUSHING INDUSTRY IN A SINGLE BOUND!
     
  3. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Kulongosky started this long before Obama won the primary.
    He has proposed and (is winning) to impose "marine reserves" in Oregon, proposed by anyone who wants them, with little or no input from scientists or fishermen or coastal community leaders, as the Magnuson-Stevens Act requires. The $$$ of the Pew Charitable Trust, and their subsidiary "Our Oceans" are the driving force behind it. He want these to be his "legacy."
    Kalifornia has locked up vast amounts of coastline, preventing fishing in much of their nearshore waters.

    Welcome to the revolution komrade Aslinged!

    Green is the new red
     
  4. ohsocountry1

    ohsocountry1 clackamas oregon Member

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    can someone please put this in laymans terms for me y might they stop fishing coastal areas im stupid please help.
     
  5. speelyei

    speelyei Willamette Valley Active Member

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    I have not seen this to be the case. I have personally attended many of the near-shore planning strategy meetings, reserve hearings, and have seen only representation by fishermen, scientists, and local people who will be directly effected by these measures.
    I have been attending these meetings and events since '05, and live, surf, crab and fish in a coastal community. I support marine reserves.
     
  6. MilitaryMan84

    MilitaryMan84 Mcminnvile, Oregon Member

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    That guy needs a kick in the ***
     
  7. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Goody for you! Are you on Our Ocean's payroll too? Are you aware that initially Teddy K. proposed the entire coast of Oregon for a marine reserve?
    When OPAC told him he couldn't do that, he pushed forward with allowing ANYONE to nominate an area for a no-take, no-travel-over marine reserve.
    So far 2 (two) have been approved, but Pew and Our Oceans are pushing for more.

    You must not fish much from a boat. You must not fish much for bottom fish.
    Many surfers do support marine reserves, but only because it gives them a "no compete" advantage on the beach. No fishers, no dorymen etc.

    On top of all this we have the largest "no take zone" anywhere with the >40 fathom closure during boating months. The yelloweye rockfish conservation area (aka the rockpile) out of Newport is one of the largest no-take areas on the west coast. We have these already. The fish are doing well. No more reserves are needed.
    OPAC even said so. This is all feel good for the Teddy K. liberal hand wringers.
    A "solution" looking for a problem that doesn't exist here.
    But since Kalifornia did it then Oregon needs to?


    There are no nearshore species in Oregon waters that aren't already rebounding.
    The only species (yelloweye and canary rockfish) that are threatened are deep water fish that a state territorial sea reserve can't help. They are deep water fish, not nearshore fish.

    Marine reserves in Oregon is just another way to lock up more land and water from sportsmen.
     
  8. speelyei

    speelyei Willamette Valley Active Member

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    Didn't see you at any of the meetings.

    Since you've got it all figured out, you should have come and lined everyone out.
     
  9. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Your original post was not the reactionist, uninformed, hysteria that some people want to hear so naturally some people were a bit put off by it. Maybe if you had added "...but Obama is the anti-christ" at the end of it you might have calmed them a bit...or if you had blathered about a grand socialist conspiracy.
     
  10. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    LOL LOL

    jj:D:D
     
  11. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Since you don't have ANY idea what I look like, I guess I could have been sitting next to you at every one of those meetings.

    If you'd like to know what Marine Reserves are all about in OREGON,...
    Visit the CCA website, or head over to I-Fish->Salty Dogs and search "marine reserves."

    Many of us are and have been fighting Teddy K's feel good plan from the outset.

    And while you're at it,...
    Why not tell us all how many nearshore species are threatened in north eastern Pacific waters. Or how marine reserves will help anadromous fish. Or the pelagics that everyone is so concerned about.

    This is and always has been about big Kalifornia money coming to Oregon and not liking the beach bill that was passed in the '60s that allows for ALL beaches to be public land in Oregon.
    Tell me you think it would be a good idea to have a beach where your child can't pick up a seashell or a sand dollar and take it home.
    Where no rock fishing or surf fishing or crabbing is allowed.
    This is about locking out sportsmen, if it wasn't, the proposals wouldn't be clustered around ports.

    Get a clue.
     
  12. speelyei

    speelyei Willamette Valley Active Member

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    get the real story from the forums at ifish.com? sure...

    I guess the internet forums are a lot shorter drive for you than any real meetings with lawmakers, policy writers, or the public. Keep up the good fight. From your posts, you've got a lot of battles on a lot of fronts...
     
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    speelyei Willamette Valley Active Member

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    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Speelyi I accept that you are there at the meetings. What I haven't heard is which side of the debate you fall on. What are your politics on this subject? Do you want to see the oceans locked up and closed down to harvesting any/all?

    While we are on the subject where are you originally from I'm doubting Oregon. Where did you go to school? Honestly you seem the Sierra Club, Green Peace type person to me do you belong to these or any such organizations?
     
  15. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Well?!?
    We're waiting,.... Show us all how informed you are with the FACTS!

    Accusing me of being uninformed or a non-participant is ridiculous. I have been informed from the outset. I have attended meetings with OPAC, OO and ODFW. From Newport to Salem to PDX.
    I was in the first ad-hoc meeting with NOAA in PDX 5 years ago before TeddyK made his plans known. I have contested face to face with the people from the Pew Charitable Trust and their reps from the Monterey Bay Aquarium.
    I happen to own a 24' ocean fishing boat,... Why would I NOT stay informed and involved??

    So you attended a couple of meetings within 20 miles of your house advocating for your right to surf un-molested and that makes you an expert of some kind??
    Spare us all the drivel !!

    So, want to elaborate on the endangered/threatened species these areas are going to help?

    And it's Ifish.NET
    If you'd head over there, you might learn something. Many salty dogs are members of the various working groups as well as board members at OPAC, the CCA etc.
     
  16. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Check! :thumbup:
     
  17. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Yup.
    The like the battle for the 2nd Amendment.
    Like the battle to protect one's life, family, home and livestock with lethal force if necessary.
    Like the battle for the right to hunt.
    Like the battle for the right to fish.
    Like the battle for access to public lands.
    Like the battle to maintain access to ocean waters.

    Got a problem with those battles?? You should be thankful. If you choose not to exercise your rights, that's okay. But I'll be here to fight for your right to do so if you choose.
     
  18. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    For all that are interested in this issue, here is a blogspot with extensive links concerning Marine reserves. In Oregon and elsewhere:
    http://www.oregonmarinereserves.blogspot.com/

    This one, by Ray Hilborn is particularly good.
    (Ray Hilborn
    Hilborn is the Richard C. and Lois M.
    Worthington Professor of Fisheries
    Management at the School of Aquatic and
    Fisheries Sciences, University of
    Washington, Seattle. He can be contacted
    at rayh@u.washington.edu)

    http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/pfrp/large_pelagics/Hilborn_2006%28faith).pdf
     
  19. speelyei

    speelyei Willamette Valley Active Member

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    Still no picture of yourself, no identifying characteristics of any kind, no trade ratings, your listed employer is a meaningless acronym... as always, "anonymous" knows no mercy.

    So you found some links on the internet supporting your cause, congratulations.

    So you have a 24' boat, congratulations, you can legally go over the Newport bar on nice days...

    Surf unmolested? When was the last time anybody tried a beach launch from Waldport? You really seized on that "surfer" label... but sorry, people don't categorize so neatly into the compartments you want them to. It would be easy to get offended at your caustic tone and sweeping generalizations... but I know that you're not berating me, you are dressing down an imaginary hippie enviro beatnik hypocrite that doesn't exist.

    Am I going to post up supporting evidence to sway some anonymous internet hothead know-it-all? No, the very act would assume that a real dialogue was possible, which it is clearly not. The links and search engines are there for anyone who wants to do the research for themselves.
    Your black-and-white portrayal of the marine reserves/fisheries dialogue is a laughable mockery of a multi-faceted issue that is still in the formative stages.

    For anyone who wants to have a real effect on the legislation and actions, there is plenty of opportunity for your voice to be heard, and for you to have a direct influence on the shape and scope of these policies.
     
  20. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Checkmate! Game Jamie6.5 :thumbup:

    As usual when presented with a challenge or questions the progressive folds like a house of cards!

    Speelyei you clearly passed over all of Jamie6.5's questions as well as my own!

    Anonymity on the net is quite understandable in the days of Identity theft. Jamie's identity is no secret to me when speaking in PM. I'm quite sure we could all get together for a beer Speelyie and discuss things in public.