North Korea attacks South

[Martini_Up]

So, how many South Korean deaths are acceptible to you for your macho blustering about "knocking out" the leadership of the North?.........................elsullo

It's not macho nor blustering. I would not give a 'bloody nose' but would rather give a knock out punch. If N Korea knew that, they would not mess around as they'd be asking the question of themselves, "how many deaths are acceptable..."

 

[vico512]

It's not macho nor blustering. I would not give a 'bloody nose' but would rather give a knock out punch. If N Korea knew that, they would not mess around as they'd be asking the question of themselves, "how many deaths are acceptable..."

You're assuming that the PRK leadership is capable of rational thinking...the "Dear Leader" is certifiably nuts; I'm sure they are not unaware, and most likely, could not give a rat's a$$ about the results of his actions.

 

[wwkii]

I was stationed at camp greaves on the dmz 1-506 INF scout plt we were a 1000 meters from the north . those suckers would be found in the river sneeking in to the south all the time . there is always going to be a problem with the north koreans . unfortunatly our soldiers are over there so i dont think we should nuke em unless we pull out. i really think that a war with them would suck big time since there such good buddys with china

 

[chemist]

This whole situation is eerie. I just finished watching a really long Korean War documentary yesterday afternoon,
(YouTube - THE KOREAN WAR IN COLOR (01/14) ?????) - [Very good watch]
and heard about this while I was watching, "Friends of Kim."
(YouTube - Friends of Kim - Documentary 1/8) - [Good watch, but disturbing]

Pretty scary stuff, all right. Try this out:
Kim Jong-il's regime is even weirder and more despicable than you thought. - By Christopher Hitchens - Slate Magazine

 

[bugeye]

Thanks, thats a great post.

Yeah, thanks chemist.

 

[Buddhalux]

I was stationed at camp greaves on the dmz 1-506 INF scout plt we were a 1000 meters from the north . those suckers would be found in the river sneeking in to the south all the time . there is always going to be a problem with the north koreans . unfortunatly our soldiers are over there so i dont think we should nuke em unless we pull out. i really think that a war with them would suck big time since there such good buddys with china

I was in the last battalion to pull a full 90 day DMZ rotation back in the summer of 90. It was a complete waste of time. PDRK SF, which is the largest in number world wide, had to infiltrate the south and gather intelligence then recross the DMZ to the north so that they could graduate. We constantly had them inside the DMZ south of the MDL. The crappy thing was that you're sitting in an abush at night with the claymore clacker in your hand waiting for some general to give you the OK to open up when they're so close that you can see the AK-47's in their hands and they're refusing to listen to commands from your KATUSA's. Then there were constant skirmishes between PDRK and SK troops all along the border as well. PDRK's show of force needs to be stopped. They do need a massive blow to show them that the world will not tolerate their BS any longer. They tried that with us during Desert Shield/Storm. Everyone was focused on the 1 million man army of Iraq versues our million man coalition. NOBODY said crap about our 45,000 troops with 500,000 SK troops verses the PDRK 800,000 man army that has the largest contigency of SF troops. PDRK moved 16 regiments to the DMZ when DS started. The pulled them back after the ground war showed them what we could do.

 

[8ball]

This bad news from Korea, and the 29 miners in New Zealand confirmed as dead...what a way to start Thanksgiving.

 

[chemist]

This bad news from Korea, and the 29 miners in New Zealand confirmed as dead...what a way to start Thanksgiving.

I see it as just the opposite:

I work sitting on my butt in a soft chair in a snug office.
My country hasn't fought a foreign invader on home soil for nearly two centuries.
My biggest worry is that I'm getting TOO MUCH FOOD.

I give thanks!

 

[WhyteCheddar]

So we see where 30 years of little or no action has gotten us. It has moved us from a nasty little dictatorship that is only a mild threat to SK to a nasty dictatorship that is now building the capability to be a threat to many other nations including the US.
I am not saying a unilateral action. SK would have to totally authorize it. It is there people, they make the decisions to take action which may put their population in peril.
I am not saying that anything that has to do with the Koreas is easy or that a perfect solution exists. But we do need a solution. The status quo is not getting the job done IMHO.

 

[wwkii]

I was in the last battalion to pull a full 90 day DMZ rotation back in the summer of 90. It was a complete waste of time. PDRK SF, which is the largest in number world wide, had to infiltrate the south and gather intelligence then recross the DMZ to the north so that they could graduate. We constantly had them inside the DMZ south of the MDL. The crappy thing was that you're sitting in an abush at night with the claymore clacker in your hand waiting for some general to give you the OK to open up when they're so close that you can see the AK-47's in their hands and they're refusing to listen to commands from your KATUSA's. Then there were constant skirmishes between PDRK and SK troops all along the border as well. PDRK's show of force needs to be stopped. They do need a massive blow to show them that the world will not tolerate their BS any longer. They tried that with us during Desert Shield/Storm. Everyone was focused on the 1 million man army of Iraq versues our million man coalition. NOBODY said crap about our 45,000 troops with 500,000 SK troops verses the PDRK 800,000 man army that has the largest contigency of SF troops. PDRK moved 16 regiments to the DMZ when DS started. The pulled them back after the ground war showed them what we could do.

so you were a im jin scout .thats cool at least you had a mission we were just a speed bump . i was there in 95-96 so the jsa was patroling the border

 

[Buddhalux]

so you were a im jin scout .thats cool at least you had a mission we were just a speed bump . i was there in 95-96 so the jsa was patroling the border

Yup, I have my Imjin Scout certificate still. It's too bad that I couldn't wear that patch and my JOTC patch as well. On second though, it was expensive enough for me to get all my patches sewn on as it was. Sometimes it wasn't fun being a quad stack. :winkkiss:

Trust me, we sure did feel like a speed bump as well. Did you ever get a chance to see the fortified bunker complexes that the south had along the northern mountain range? Those things were f'n massive and the one that I was in was 5 levels.

 

[Martini_Up]

It's not macho nor blustering. I would not give a 'bloody nose' but would rather give a knock out punch. If N Korea knew that, they would not mess around as they'd be asking the question of themselves, "how many deaths are acceptable..."

Well, someone else is thinking along the same lines as I am.

South Korea considers return of US tactical nuclear weapons | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

[Arkarayne]

North Korea's military aging but sizeable

As it just so happens they showed us what SK is up against last month in their "we're so pretty" parade.

Their trump card: A couple Truck-mounted ICBMs that may or may not work, and may or may not have nukes. (and may or may not have fuel in them...)

Air Force: Some old russian Migs, with pilots who've probably played Microsoft Flight Simulator more then they've actually flown.
Oh oh, and some Bi-planes for special forces drops... and to dust the dead crops.

Navy: Vaugely useful, small attack boats, and surplus subs, The USS George Washington and it's escort forces... probably a match by themselves.

Armor: Tanks based on russian T-62s... yeah.

Army hardware: various russian, chinese, iranian, and black market anti-air and anti-tank arsenals.. with reportedly limited ammo.
(all bought of course with the little foreign exchange clout they had left.. and bought guns, instead of food...)

Standing Army: Approx. 1 million active, with 7 million reserves.
Sounds scary, until you realize most of them are improperly trained, if at all, and in a land fight would be like the soviets at Stalingrad, "guy 1 gets the gun, guy 2 gets the ammo, guy 1 dies, grab his gun."

Morale: They're starving, drinking the Party's kool-aid (because that's all there is to drink), and have little to no knowledge of outside thier country.
Their leadership is insane, paranoid, and trying to impress their soon-to-be leader, who's got about as much military experience as the 12 year olds in the US playing HALO. And the minute they show weakness and we show them the light of the rest of the world (and a crate of food) most of that 8 million man(woman, and child) army will turncoat so hard and fast their uniforms might physically change color ala Wizard of Oz.

Current Problem: We'll see Sunday what they do when the Joint Exercises start, but if they do get antsy, and even 1 US soldier dies...
:gun21:>>>>>>>>>ound:>>>:drink:

...In order of events maybe. (but, replace the flag with S.Korea's.. don't need to do that mistake twice.[Iraq])

 

[Siglvr]

If the last Korean war showed us nothing else, it was that we should try to avoid the next Korean war at all costs. I've met and known plenty of those guys who froze their asses off last time and not a single one of them enjoyed the experience.

You are all thinking that this devastation would all be over there out of sight. Yet if China has a mutual defense treaty with NK, it's likely to spin so fast out of control that none of you hawks advocating an immensely massive attack would ever believe. Bad idea to rush in swinging a large stick. Only later, after the few survivors in the US have buried their children, friends, neighbors and parents would a retrospective population think this way in mass I suppose. Like Chemist says, life is good. South Koreans have it good, and that's a good thing for them and for us. Let our politicians and diplomats have time to dig in and work on this. Cheaper, easier and in the end, more effective most likely.

This time we have China inside of the tent pissing out, which is better than having them outside the tent pissing in: like in the 50's.

 

[vico512]

+1 on billcoe's post...

Regarding the politicians, if they had sons & daughters subject to a no-exemption draft, we'd wouldn't be in Iraq & Afghanistan.

Just as in Vietnam & the Middle East, there is no scenario for a war on the Korean peninsula ending well for us. All the bluster is just that...it ain't reality.

Semper Fi...

 

[chemist]

+1 on billcoe's post...

Regarding the politicians, if they had sons & daughters subject to a no-exemption draft, we'd wouldn't be in Iraq & Afghanistan.

Just as in Vietnam & the Middle East, there is no scenario for a war on the Korean peninsula ending well for us. All the bluster is just that...it ain't reality.

Semper Fi...

Well said.

I notice that Arkarayne fails to mention the million or so mustard-gas canisters backing up their thousand or so artillery pieces dispersed along the DMZ.

 

[Arkarayne]

Well said.

I notice that Arkarayne fails to mention the million or so mustard-gas canisters backing up their thousand or so artillery pieces dispersed along the DMZ.

I actually did forget to mention the illegal chemical weapons they have, my apologies, but i never said it'd be a breeze, or a good idea.

 

[raftman]

...and in a land fight would be like the soviets at Stalingrad, "guy 1 gets the gun, guy 2 gets the ammo, guy 1 dies, grab his gun.

Bad example. The Soviets won at Stalingrad.

 

[CharlesAFerg]

I actually did forget to mention the illegal chemical weapons they have, my apologies, but i never said it'd be a breeze, or a good idea.

Illegal? Why use that word?

This is war. That's just rhetoric, which is another form of war.

All is fair in love and war. It's what is most effective that we should be thinking about right now.
North Korea has never followed the rules, yet they are a country of excessively strict rules. Yet, they've been around for a long, long time.

 

[Stomper]

Could you imagine our response if the Canadian's or Mexicans or Cubans began lobbing shells on our property?

Meh... lobbed burritos from the South, lobbed pancakes and maple syrup from the North, eh?