My first Bolt Gun.

[Goosebrown]

On the contrary, Cabelas is a great place to buy the same guns for $100 to as much as $200 more!

Cabelas also price matches. They often are less than Sportsmans. We have both as resources, you should check both.

 

[Goosebrown]

Remington and stomped but on the old .226Rem. that had the wrong rate of twist and had accuracy problems, so they re thought it out and went to the 223 and a much faster rate of twist,

The original .223 twist rate was very slow. 1-14 or 1-12. I also think you mean .222 Remington, the parent of the .223. Still. The development of the .223 was very well thought out for 100-500 yards. New bullets and twist rates make it an excellent choice for game up to white tail with the heavier loads.

 

[pharmseller]

Cabelas also price matches. They often are less than Sportsmans. We have both as resources, you should check both.

They'll price match brick and mortar but not online prices. Also has to be within a certain distance, I think 50 miles. I've never seen Cabelas cheaper than Sportsmans. I think of them as a clothing store.




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[Goosebrown]

They'll price match brick and mortar but not online prices. Also has to be within a certain distance, I think 50 miles. I've never seen Cabelas cheaper than Sportsmans. I think of them as a clothing store.
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On two occasions in the last year. I have gone to Cabela's and they called Sportsman's for a price and matched. The only reason I bought there and not Sportsman's was because they had a different variation of the same thing.

I even had the match to bass pro once and there's no bass pro local. They told me they couldn't match but they did check their price and came down to the same as bass pro saying it was their wiggle room not a price match.

Cabela's is very easy to negotiate with

 

[pharmseller]

And lest the OP thinks I'm one-dimensional with my Tikkas, be advised that I also have them in .30-06, 7mm Rem Mag, and .223 Rem.



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[DirectDrive]

And lest the OP thinks I'm one-dimensional with my Tikkas, be advised that I also have them in .30-06, 7mm Rem Mag, and .223 Rem.



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Do you still sleep with them or are in you separate beds now ?

 

[pharmseller]

Do you still sleep with them or are in you separate beds now ?

I rotate them, like Big Love.




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[No_Regerts]

Cabelas also price matches. They often are less than Sportsmans. We have both as resources, you should check both.

I do, but Cabelas wont price match unless its the EXACT same rifle/caliber. If they have a 7mm-08 and SW has a 308 in the same rifle, no price match.

 

[Goosebrown]

I do, but Cabelas wont price match unless its the EXACT same rifle/caliber. If they have a 7mm-08 and SW has a 308 in the same rifle, no price match.

As you'd expect.

 

[No_Regerts]

As you'd expect.

Yes, but no. Both calibers for the same niche in the type of rifle I was looking at. They should have jumped at the chance at selling a less popular caliber. If their rifle did anything better or different, I'd get it.

 

[BillGabby1]

The original .223 twist rate was very slow. 1-14 or 1-12. I also think you mean .222 Remington, the parent of the .223. Still. The development of the .223 was very well thought out for 100-500 yards. New bullets and twist rates make it an excellent choice for game up to white tail with the heavier loads.

You are prolly right I was talking from ancient memory, but I know the first gun had big time accuracy problems and the 243 beat their socks off.
I still think it is the superior round ballistically! I'm actually thinking of the 6mm Remington, my mistake.
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[bsa1917hunter]

.338? I tried one of those once, spent a day and a half looking for my fillings.

And go easy on me, I just started a new job and training is intense.




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Don't feel bad. I had 8 days of training and had to shoot qualification for my new job... didn't get a day off in 3 weeks. Now I'm off for 3 days and I'm going to enjoy the he'll out of it. Good luck on your new job buddy...

 

[DirectDrive]

The development of the .223 was very well thought out for 100-500 yards.

I wouldn't give them that much credit.
They very simply shortened that beautiful, long neck of .222 for more case capacity so they could satisfy the military's FPS requirement.

 

[Goosebrown]

I wouldn't give them that much credit.
They very simply shortened that beautiful, long neck of .222 for more case capacity so they could satisfy the military's FPS requirement.

Which made it better from 2-500 yards so it could penetrate helmets at 500. A 222 would not. Well thought out. I do like the neck on the 222.

 

[DirectDrive]

Well thought out.

OK, maybe a well thought out knee-jerk.

 

[Goosebrown]

OK, maybe a well thought out knee-jerk.

Existing bolt face with two requirements. 3500fps and penetrate a us helmet at 500 yards. 222 can't do that.

Why do you think that is a knee jerk reaction?

Is it some trend to make fun of popular calibers because________?

You sell the military on the 257 Roberts AI if you like. .223 is a legendary caliber that does precisely what it was designed to do.

Want a tack driver get a 6x45 or 222 or 22 vartarg or whatever. Each is designed to do something different.

 

[DirectDrive]

They had to gain like 100 FPS,so they enlarged an existing case.
If anything "well thought out" happened it was in around 1949-1950 when the original parent case/cartridge was created.
That is all.

 

[j8tnub]

28 Nosler is a nice round too. Going to be a little limited in number of rifles chambered in it though.

 

[American123]

when I did my research to buy the Ruger American in .270, I watch a video of military arms channel shooting 1000 yards with it chambered in .308 and spent a total of less than $1000.

When I did the calculations with the ballistic calculator the Nosler accubond long range in .270 outperformed the .308 and 30-06 in similar loadings, it was only outperformed by the 300 win mag and 6.5 creedmore by a bit in terms of drop but the .270 had more energy at 1000 yards than the creedmoor, and the recoil is much less than the .300 win mag.

Long story short. .308, .270 and 30-06 have been doing the job of hunting and target shooting long before 6.5 creedmore came on the scene. Generally there isn't 1 caliber that does everything THE best. If you want it to span multiple types of use, pick the best one that will work "good enough" for all of your uses.

 

[Goosebrown]

To be pedantic, the first long range smokeless caliber that was good for 1000 yards was the 6.5 x 55 Swedish designed in 1891. It is still relatively common on long range shooters lists. The 6.5 bullet has better long range ballistics at longer ranges with lighter bullet weights than 30 caliber and 270 but at lower down range energy. 6.5 creedmoor is not quite in its class but does deliver the same bullet in a pretty good ballistic package.

Your post is a great example of thinking of what you're going to do at 1000 with the rifle. If you're hunting the 270 makes great sense but a small bullet selection. If you were target the 6.5 would be better but there are a number of 6.5s that are superior to the creedmoor like 260, 260 AI, 6.5x55.

In any event I like your research.