Mossberg Shockwave question

[Wombat of Doom]

I have wondered about this. Theoretically, could I replace the bird's head grip with a bird's head grip of the same dimensions. (roughly, possibly thinner side to side as I have small hands) I was also thinking that black stained AAAA flame maple might look pretty slick and might get some contours in there for my hands to fit it a bit better.

I know shortening it, or adding anything you could shoulder would be a no go, but is the raptor bird's head essential to what makes it a firearm and not a shotgun.

TLR version: Could I make a maple version of the bird's head stock with identical dimensions and be within the law?

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[Gonzales]

You can get a wood forend and birds head grip to replace the factory ones.

1. Remove barrel
2. Hide barrel. ;-)
3. Replace birds head grip with one of equal or greater length
4. "Find" missing barrel
5. Install said barrel
6. Double check length >= 26"

 

[Gonzales]

 

[Gonzales]

 

[Gonzales]

This one is made from a stock. You would need to be careful to never attach it in stock form. You would need to cut it down before even fitting it to the receiver.

 

[Gonzales]

Sorry for all the pictures, but figured it would give you a few ideas.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

I am getting lots of ideas and starting to wonder how I could make a quality foregrip. Lots of good ideas flowing through my head. I have a decent amount of experience as a semi-pro luthier, (more than one touring act plays instruments I made) so making some really cool high quality wood parts sounds like fun. I like wood gun stocks, and I have some wood that would likely look insane on a proper gun. I would want to start with something with a relatively clean junction between stock and receiver. (AK stocks also come to mind, not as a business but on my personal guns)

 

[madmax]

Keep in mind the shock wave raptor is 1-1/4 longer then any one I've seen on the market.

 

[Iceberg]

I would be very careful messing with the stock on a Shockwave or 870 TAC-14. In would take this this to heart and just enjoy your new "firearm". Both the socialists state governments in Salem & Olympia would probably love to hear we are messing w/ these "loophole" firearms and violating the NFA.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

Nobody is suggesting violating the NFA. I was merely debating slightly customizing the firearm with the same dimensional pieces of a different material. Also making it a less threatening wood and blue instead of a scary black gun.

 

[Alexx1401]

I would be very careful messing with the stock on a Shockwave or 870 TAC-14. In would take this this to heart and just enjoy your new "firearm". Both the socialists state governments in Salem & Olympia would probably love to hear we are messing w/ these "loophole" firearms and violating the NFA.

As long as you keep the OAL it makes no difference to the law what you put on for a grip.

 

[Iceberg]

As long as you keep the OAL it makes no difference to the law what you put on for a grip.

I just don't like playing with fire, it's your attorney costs, not mine.

 

[madmax]

SMH @Iceberg

 

[Camelfilter]

My personal concern would be having a wooden grip of the same size being too stiff. My understanding is that the OEM grips are shock absorbing.

Could be my misunderstanding though.

 

[FireArm]

Ive been wanting a stainless version with wood grips and a leather front strap. Same configuration and dimensions just changing the finish and material used, that wouldnt break NFA rules. Probably where mine is headed soon.

 

[Tully Mars]

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Sorry for all the pictures, but figured it would give you a few ideas.

Nice work! Esp that last pic!

 

[Iceberg]

Nice work! Esp that last pic!

Agreed, well done & less scary. I am just too risk adverse to give it a try it on a cheap $300 "firearm".

FYI: Remington is giving a $50 rebate on all 870s right now including the TAC-14.

 

[Alexx1401]

I just don't like playing with fire, it's your attorney costs, not mine.

You do realize the "kit" to make these came out before the manufacturers started making them right? If you are that afraid of these you do not want to buy a factory model. The manufacturers only started offering these after the kit sales were OK's by Feds. This is the same as telling someone who has a shotgun with a 26" tube that they are taking a risk if they cut it down to 18"'s. Nothing wrong with following the law but, you are just making up some new law that does not exist. The part of the BATF classification that got this all started says zero about who makes the grip you use on the end. Changing the grip is no different than changing any set of grips. You really think some LEO who sees one of these with a different grip is going to somehow make that one a case to arrest but the one next to it with one of the many originals is not? How many LEO's would know the difference? Now if someone wants to "alter" an original cruiser type they do need to make sure that the gun was always a cruiser. You can't do it with one that was originally a shotgun. This is not nearly as complicated or scary as some want to make it. I have to say I was shocked the first time I saw the kit being offered. I "thought" surely this was not legal. The people making the kit showed on their site the rules from the Feds and did suggest that anyone making one print them out and keep them with them in case some LEO questioned the legality of these. Later the manufacturers decided to get in on this since people wanted them. What you are scared of amounts to nothing.
Now at some point the Feds and or states may decide they don't like these and try to change things. Like the Feds did with the old semi shotguns they decided were now destructive devices and told people they had to paper (tax stamp) them. I would not be surprised to see that happen with these some day. If the rules or laws are changed though it's going to go after all of them whether they were made from the "kit" or came from the factory.

 

[Alexx1401]

Agreed, well done & less scary. I am just too risk adverse to give it a try it on a cheap $300 "firearm".

FYI: Remington is giving a $50 rebate on all 870s right now including the TAC-14.

Making these even more temping! How does that wood one feel? Anyone shot one like that and one of the kits or new ones to compare the difference?

 

[Alexx1401]

Ive been wanting a stainless version with wood grips and a leather front strap. Same configuration and dimensions just changing the finish and material used, that wouldnt break NFA rules. Probably where mine is headed soon.

That would be nice. Did they ever offer the Cruiser is stainless? If so one of them could be turned into one of these with the kit. Would make a nice looking gun.