Oregon Measure 114 litigation

[Jade Falcon]

So just to be clear......the date of March whatever (15?) is still the Permit date, correct? Who are we waiting on, if anyone?

 

[PiratePast40]

So just to be clear......the date of March whatever (15?) is still the Permit date, correct? Who are we waiting on, if anyone?

Frustrating isn't it? Wheels turn slowly waiting for the Oregon Supremes to make a decision. Even if they declare it constitutional, there needs to be a permit system in place in order for anyone to comply. They can certainly make it a requirement and then we can start the process of finding someone harmed by the law, find a legal group willing to take up the case, and then start raising money again.

Then we need to wade through all the comments from people saying that pro-gun groups are worthless and then say they won't donate or lift a finger to protect their rights.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

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Then we need to wade through all the comments from people saying that pro-gun groups are worthless and then say they won't donate or lift a finger to protect their rights.

That part pisses me off tbh. The only effective weapon we have right now is the courts and those group are the ones doing the fighting. Yet these people complain about them? WTF? I mean they must be simply retarded. There is no other explanation for their idiocy.

We have huge gains nationwide in the last few years and almost all of it is wins through the courts.

 

[Bolt_308]

So just to be clear......the date of March whatever (15?) is still the Permit date, correct? Who are we waiting on, if anyone?

Oregon Supreme Court. It is my understanding that March is also the deadline for them to make their ruling on the case. Their ruling could come down any day/any minute, but there is a deadline for when they need to complete it. So that is what we are waiting on. With the stay for M114 in place, nothing goes into effect until that stay is lifted- which could be done by the Oregon Supreme Court. So we wait for them. Buy those standard capacity mags now boys before any decision becomes eminent or other vendors start choosing not to ship to Oregon again. Mags are plentiful right now . . .

 

[CamoDeafie]

There is also the 2nd go around of the Duncan V. Bonta case relating to CA mag ban out of the 9th that has been scheduled for conference at the SCOTUS level currently. But that impacts the Fed M114 case from Immergut; and may or may not impact the State level case

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Also something to be aware of is that Virginia is likely to pass a $500 per suppressor tax. That means it could be coming to OR and WA. Wa will pass this as soon as they can imo because it's the FFLs doing their dirty work for them and their MO is already to push commerce-based regs.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Also something to be aware of is that Virginia is likely to pass a $500 per suppressor tax. That means it could be coming to OR and WA. Wa will pass this as soon as they can imo because it's the FFLs doing their dirty work for them and their MO is already to push commerce based regs.

I could be wrong here but I think the 9th District case relating to the Montana Firearms Freedom Act of 2009; the majority opinion there was basically that the Feds have "sole jurisdiction" on regulating NFA items, but that States could ban them, just not deregulate them within States? Can someone double check?

 

[Local Loader]

Oregon Supreme Court. It is my understanding that March is also the deadline for them to make their ruling on the case. Their ruling could come down any day/any minute, but there is a deadline for when they need to complete it. So that is what we are waiting on. With the stay for M114 in place, nothing goes into effect until that stay is lifted- which could be done by the Oregon Supreme Court. So we wait for them. Buy those standard capacity mags now boys before any decision becomes eminent or other vendors start choosing not to ship to Oregon again. Mags are plentiful right now . . .

I've been following this and no, the court doesn't have to make a decision by March, they can take up to several years if they so choose to. I don't know who told you that they have a deadline, but they don't. The only thing that happens in March is the stuff from SB243 about M114 taking affect but even that is on hold till the courts make a ruling and then at least 30 days after that. Tony has already explained this before.
As for companies refusing to sell to Oregon, the solution is simple, don't buy anything from them and let others know not to and to buy from a company that still supports Oregon.

 

[Zoolander]

Does all of this mean that, at the moment, March 15 is a moot date for a permit system to take effect?

 

[Buddy1211]

Also something to be aware of is that Virginia is likely to pass a $500 per suppressor tax. That means it could be coming to OR and WA. Wa will pass this as soon as they can imo because it's the FFLs doing their dirty work for them and their MO is already to push commerce-based regs.

Going forward? Or are they deciding that they're going to tax people on item they already have?

 

[CamoDeafie]

Does all of this mean that, at the moment, March 15 is a moot date for a permit system to take effect?

I'm not sure. Maybe a moot date for mag ban to take effect pending Duncan V Bonta? Maybe a moot date for permit system since we're still waiting on OSC?

Maybe not a moot date for either if Duncan V Bonta gets GVR'd a 2nd time or denied cert?

 

[Local Loader]

Does all of this mean that, at the moment, March 15 is a moot date for a permit system to take effect?

Correct, M114 as a whole is on hold. However, that doesn't mean they won't try some underhanded BS like they did with SB243. couple attempts were made and failed, but they won't quite trying to screw us over.
(note) this doesn't stop them from building the permit system, it only stops them from enforcing it.

 

[The Heretic]

I've been following this and no, the court doesn't have to make a decision by March, they can take up to several years if they so choose to. I don't know who told you that they have a deadline, but they don't. The only thing that happens in March is the stuff from SB143 about M114 taking affect but even that is on hold till the courts make a ruling and then at least 30 days after that. Tony has already explained this before.
As for companies refusing to sell to Oregon, the solution is simple, don't buy anything from them and let others know not to and to buy from a company that still supports Oregon.

OTOH - the court could make a decision tomorrow - so buy cheap & stack deep now.

 

[roseburger]

OTOH - the court could make a decision tomorrow - so buy cheap & stack deep now.

Didn't the new Senate bill nullify the mag limits of ip114?

 

[CamoDeafie]

Didn't the new Senate bill nullify the mag limits of ip114?

I don't think so?

 

[roseburger]

I don't think so?

Isn't that where the March effective date came from?

 

[CamoDeafie]

Isn't that where the March effective date came from?

Yes but here's the screenshot from SB243 enrolled pdf it doesn't nullify mag limits or permit system, it just amends the dates on which they're effective to March 15th 2026; and I didn't see anything about pending Court decisions click image to enlarge



Edit if Oregon Supreme decides in favor of State before March, it's effective March 15th
If OSC reverses Appeals opinion; and affirms Raschio's judgement, then it's moot.

If Duncan V Bonta gets decided at SCOTUS and SCOTUS affirms Benitez's ruling, then only the permit system will be in effect.

Several "if"s here

 

[roseburger]

Yes but here's the screenshot from SB243 enrolled pdf it doesn't nullify mag limits or permit system, it just amends the dates on which they're effective to March 15th 2026; and I didn't see anything about pending Court decisions click image to enlarge
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Sorry, I meant nullify until the start date. Carry on.

 

[Librarian]

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[PiratePast40]

HB 3075 was the replacement for M114. They decided to let it die in committee but there could be any number of reasons for that. When we see it's newer version, we'll know what dates and other restrictions they have in mind.