Oregon Measure 114 litigation

[PiratePast40]

Here's the link to testimony on HB 3075. It's easy to add yours. Hearing is next monday, 3/17, at 3pm in hearing room F. Hearing scheduled to be broadcast live. Click on the meeting link in blue on the right hand side of the page when the meeting starts.

It's important that as many people as possible submit written testimony. Only takes a sentence or two to say that you're opposed and give a legitimate reason.

 

[Richo877]

According to thereload.com, "Though the ruling clears a path for the law to take effect, it will not happen immediately. The panel remanded the case back down to the lower court for "the limited purposes of entering a declaratory judgment consistent with this opinion and determining whether the state is entitled to fees or costs."

Under state law, the plaintiffs have 35 days to file an appeal with the Oregon Supreme Court"

 

[NW PREPPER]

The first thing you do in a communist state is take the guns. I can't wait to get off the west coast.

 

[Jay Walk]

Soft on crime policies drive up Gun Crime, more gun deaths result in the publics willingness to vote away the second amendment.

Sacrificing lives for a goal is pretty sick, but that is exactly what progressives are doing.

It's only a conspiracy if it is not true.

 

[Mikej]

Here's the link to testimony on HB 3075. It's easy to add yours. Hearing is next monday, 3/17, at 3pm in hearing room F. Hearing scheduled to be broadcast live. Click on the meeting link in blue on the right hand side of the page when the meeting starts.

It's important that as many people as possible submit written testimony. Only takes a sentence or two to say that you're opposed and give a legitimate reason.

I did what I thought was right but I don't see my testimony.

 

[RVTECH]

I wonder if we'll see state troopers patrolling the popular outdoor shooting locations trying to catch people using standard cap magazines.

I have been giving this some thought myself however BECAUSE I only shoot in the NF, and have done so essentially all my gun owning life, along with a lot of other 'recreation' in the NF I cannot imagine this being a primary concern that would warrant them 'patrolling' the woods.

First, the only STATE officers that patrol the NF are the game wardens and they are typically so few and far between and have enough to deal with as it is I do NOT see mag issues as a primary concern.

Same with Nat Forest LEOs. Numbers and range limit their activities and similarly with the STATE Officers I don't see it as a primary reason to necessarily 'intentionally' stop and check someone shooting just to see what they are using.

NOW - on the 'flip side' if they are called to investigate something, and witness some malfeasance with people shooting, maybe see 'open containers' sitting around, maybe unsafe conditions, well then, I could see them YES, possibly wanting to see all the mags in use.

Another possibility is IF an LEO happens to be patrolling around and maybe hears some mag dumping going on this might precipitate a look - see but the 'bottom line' is under normal circumstances I do NOT see mag issues as a primary reason to stop and check EVERYONE shooting in the woods.

 

[Koda]

I have been giving this some thought myself however BECAUSE I only shoot in the NF, and have done so essentially all my gun owning life, along with a lot of other 'recreation' in the NF I cannot imagine this being a primary concern that would warrant them 'patrolling' the woods.

First, the only STATE officers that patrol the NF are the game wardens and they are typically so few and far between and have enough to deal with as it is I do NOT see mag issues as a primary concern.

Same with Nat Forest LEOs. Numbers and range limit their activities and similarly with the STATE Officers I don't see it as a primary reason to necessarily 'intentionally' stop and check someone shooting just to see what they are using.

NOW - on the 'flip side' if they are called to investigate something, and witness some malfeasance with people shooting, maybe see 'open containers' sitting around, maybe unsafe conditions, well then, I could see them YES, possibly wanting to see all the mags in use.

Another possibility is IF an LEO happens to be patrolling around and maybe hears some mag dumping going on this might precipitate a look - see but the 'bottom line' is under normal circumstances I do NOT see mag issues as a primary reason to stop and check EVERYONE shooting in the woods.

Depends on the political opinion of the officer.

Another concern is popular target shooting areas will probably get many reports of illegal shooting from anti gunners who currently complain about the noise, except now they will have something actually illegal to report... 30rd mag dumps etc.

 

[PiratePast40]

I did what I thought was right but I don't see my testimony.

If you filled everything out on the form and then either submitted your .pdf or wrote in testimony and received a message that it was received, you should be good to go. Sometimes it takes awhile for your testimony to post.

ETA: You should receive an email confirming that your testimony was received within a few minutes of checking the boxes after your testimony. If not, go back ant try it again. There is a "are you a robot" box you also need to check.

 

[MichaelH]

All of this sucks, but reality is is that most violations of gun laws are completely ignored unless somebody uses a firearm in a defensive shooting, or is doing some other illegal stuff with said firearm. Odds are good for most people who have high capacity magazines already that they're never gonna get in trouble for them unless the police are gonna arrest them for something else. At that point it might be an add-on worth worrying about.

 

[AdoboArsenal]

Depends on the political opinion of the officer.

Another concern is popular target shooting areas will probably get many reports of illegal shooting from anti gunners who currently complain about the noise, except now they will have something actually illegal to report... 30rd mag dumps etc.

Such BS for officers to act on that. Even if I only load mags to 10 rounds any of those anti-gunners could just exaggerate the report and say they heard 15-20 rounds of continuous fire. As such it should be regarded as hearsay and just be dismissed.

LEOs are sworn to protect and uphold the constitution which is the highest law in the land. Anything less than that is storm-trooper type stuff.

 

[RVTECH]

Another concern is popular target shooting areas will probably get many reports of illegal shooting from anti gunners who currently complain about the noise, except now they will have something actually illegal to report... 30rd mag dumps etc.

This might be true in more populated areas with shooting areas closer together and more of them but around where I live it's a lot different.

I live essentially bordering the Nat Forest and rarely hear shooting. Mostly because shooting around here is more widespread and scattered and the areas people do shoot at are at least a few miles from any housing, and it's not like the shooting areas around me are heavily populated with people. Heck, at one of my favorite spots about the only time there are other people at it is those I bring with me!

It's a different 'environment' around here. There are not 'scads' of anti gunners complaining about shooters.

 

[PiratePast40]

All of this sucks, but reality is is that most violations of gun laws are completely ignored unless somebody uses a firearm in a defensive shooting, or is doing some other illegal stuff with said firearm. Odds are good for most people who have high capacity magazines already that they're never gonna get in trouble for them unless the police are gonna arrest them for something else. At that point it might be an add-on worth worrying about.

I whole heartedly disagree. You're missing the point that people cannot ship guns with the magazines to Oregon. The consequences go much farter than inconveniencing people shooting up in the woods.

 

[Mikej]

If you filled everything out on the form and then either submitted your .pdf or wrote in testimony and received a message that it was received, you should be good to go. Sometimes it takes awhile for your testimony to post.

ETA: You should receive an email confirming that your testimony was received within a few minutes of checking the boxes after your testimony. If not, go back ant try it again. There is a "are you a robot" box you also need to check.

Got the e-mail. thanks for replying. It's been years since I'd done that. I doubt it will do any good. These people don't represent "US", why should they pay any attention to us.

 

[djm68]

Just an update for everyone:

NO Measure 114 is not in effect today. We have a right to appeal and intend to take it. The case only gets sent back to the trial court for a ruling against us once the Oregon Supreme Court (1) Declines to take our case; or (2) Rules against us on the Merits.

I'll try to be in here more often... but don't close the thread. The fight isn't over!!!

Thank you for your efforts. Is there a way we can directly assist you?

 

[PiratePast40]

Got the e-mail. thanks for replying. It's been years since I'd done that. I doubt it will do any good. These people don't represent "US", why should they pay any attention to us.

It does have an effect when it comes time to litigate. If we can show that thousands of Oregonians were opposed, and they passed it anyway, it gives us an extra bit of legerage. We go forward one small step at a time.

TBH, this forum represents only a small number of the people that are actually engaged. If each of us can convince one other person to do something instead of standing around like cows chewing their cud, it might make a difference.

 

[Rkangel]

Ah, I see your mistake with this line of reasoning. You assume that facts and logic are at play here. But those are an anathema to the liberal agenda and so are not factored in as relevant data when they make a pronouncement on an issue. I can see why you would think it is relevant tough, it is an easy mistake to make.

Yep, if facts and logic were their actual goal, they wouldn't be scheduling only one public hearing, at a time when the public can't attend, only inviting Dems and anti gun organizations to speak, disallowing Republicans from speaking or asking questions, while running to shove it through before the Oregon supreme Court gets to rule on 114.

 

[PiratePast40]

Yep, if facts and logic were their actual goal, they wouldn't be scheduling only one public hearing, at a time when the public can't attend, only inviting Dems and anti gun organizations to speak, disallowing Republicans from speaking or asking questions, while running to shove it through before the Oregon supreme Court gets to rule on 114.

The dash 1 amendment puts a hold on the mag ban if there is a stay on M 114.

Things are happening pretty fast and it's hard for everyone to keep up.

 

[Rkangel]

Essentially they are passing the buck on the readily converted issue. This won't get settled until somebody is prosecuted for possessing a post ban 11+ mag that they converted over to a 10- capacity mag. I don't think those prosecutions are common, so we might have a long wait.

They want the fear of prosecution to do their dirty work. How do you prove a non-serialized item was pre ban? Manufacturing dates (on mags that have them) are only so accurate. You can't go back in time and mail pictures to yourself, and what good do pictures do for non identifiable item. Who has receipts for every magazine in their possession? This whole thing is solely intended to make not just every gun owner, but every magazine owner a felon.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

They want the fear of prosecution to do their dirty work. How do you prove a non-serialized item was pre ban? Manufacturing dates (on mags that have them) are only so accurate. You can't go back in time and mail pictures to yourself, and what good do pictures do for non identifiable item. Who has receipts for every magazine in their possession? This whole thing is solely intended to make not just every gun owner, but every magazine owner a felon.

Yep approximately 740,000 households in Oregon would become criminals overnight. It's contraband even in your home the way the law is written. If it was found in your home it would be illegal unless you can prove it was owned prior to Dec 8, 2022.

The law makes criminals out of 17% of the total population of OR and 99% of gun owners but does not affect actual criminals at all.

 

[lucusloc]

They want the fear of prosecution to do their dirty work. How do you prove a non-serialized item was pre ban? Manufacturing dates (on mags that have them) are only so accurate. You can't go back in time and mail pictures to yourself, and what good do pictures do for non identifiable item. Who has receipts for every magazine in their possession? This whole thing is solely intended to make not just every gun owner, but every magazine owner a felon.

Yep, I could have photos for every mag I own, but there is no way to pair them one-to-one. Could be I swapped them all out for new ones yesterday, who can possibly say?

but as you note these kinds of laws are never about enforcement. They are about fear and driving down ownership rates. They don't care about disarming us per say (though I am sure they would take that if they could get it), they really just want to make sure no one new joins our ranks. This is about my neighbor telling me "hey, I would like to get one of those, how do I do that?" and me having to tell them "you can't anymore." That is all it might take to remove them as a potential 2A voter, since they never actually got started with the Right enough to care. They only need to bust enough guys coming over the border with new stock enough times to show the law has teeth. The rest of these questions probably will never be answered, because they will never care enough to follow through. The laws is doing its job behind the scenes by killing our culture one lost member at a time.