Oregon Measure 114 litigation

[Librarian]

This Shooting News Weekly article sums it up in a pretty straightforward manner:

Ninth Circuit (Finally) Rules Hawaii’s Gun Purchase Permit and Registration Time Limits are Unconstitutional

Note that this case was argued in January. Of 2023. So it’s taken the three-judge panel more than two years to rule on the case. Because of course it did. This is the Ninth Circuit we’re talking about.

www.shootingnewsweekly.com

"If you're not familiar with Hawaii's ludicrously restrictive gun laws — and there's no reason you should be — once a permit to purchase is issued, the individual then must buy the firearm within a certain time period. The law originally limited the period to 10 days (for handguns…long gun purchase permits are good for a year). Once the challenge was filed and began to progress, Hawaii extended the time period to 30 days, no doubt hoping that would be enough to moot the case.
There's a second aspect of the law. Once the firearm is purchased, it then needs to be registered. That's done by physically bringing the gun into your local police department for a "safety inspection" and registration. But the law gives citizens only five days to get that done.
Both requirements — the period allowed to buy the gun and the even shorter period to get it registered — were what was being challenged in Yakutake. Today, in a two-to-one ruling, the Ninth Circuit panel upheld a lower court that ruled both needlessly short time limits violate the Second Amendment."

Also Kostas Moros,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1900603383524061313

View: https://x.com/MorosKostas/status/1900603383524061313

 

[Mono1]

Also Kostas Moros,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1900603383524061313

View: https://x.com/MorosKostas/status/1900603383524061313

Thanks @Librarian , its good to know you are monitoring this stuff for us!

 

[RVTECH]

Aside from those who admit to NOT knowing about 114 are a few I have encountered who are in 'denial' about it.

I suspect part of this is because of their lack of knowledge or understanding of the potential ramifications of the bill and are trying to 'downplay' it as though it's just 'words on paper' and doesn't really mean anything.

I have actually heard from two people who have said, 'oh nothing will change. Dealers will just 'rubber stamp' whatever they need to continue to sell guns'

Unfortunately ONE of these is a very good friend of mine, who while a very smart guy tends to be very 'uninformed' about a LOT of things - especially when it comes to politics and laws - and instead of seeking out the answers he finds it easier to 'believe what he thinks' about most things.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Aside from those who admit to NOT knowing about 114 are a few I have encountered who are in 'denial' about it.

I suspect part of this is because of their lack of knowledge or understanding of the potential ramifications of the bill and are trying to 'downplay' it as though it's just 'words on paper' and doesn't really mean anything.

I have actually heard from two people who have said, 'oh nothing will change. Dealers will just 'rubber stamp' whatever they need to continue to sell guns'

Unfortunately ONE of these is a very good friend of mine, who while a very smart guy tends to be very 'uninformed' about a LOT of things - especially when it comes to politics and laws - and instead of seeking out the answers he finds it easier to 'believe what he thinks' about most things.

Wow. Ignorance is bliss I guess. Until they actually try to buy the gun, have problems with mags etc. then they will be all, "what the hell? When did this happen?"

 

[RVTECH]

Until they actually try to buy the gun, have problems with mags etc. then they will be all, "what the hell? When did this happen?"

I suspect this will probably 'stymie' those who are COMPLETELY unaware of it more dramatically than those who might have knowledge of it but don't understand the realities of it.

I often wonder if dealers will occasionally encounter those who are unaware of it and how they will deal with it - assuming it in fact does become reality. People typically can be 'combative' when given new rules, directives etc. about something they knew nothing about yet dramatically affects their lives - especially if it was something they could previously do more or less hassle free - like buying a gun.

Call me crazy - and I may be VERY wrong however I STILL maintain a belief (I say still because I posted about this last year) there is a slim chance 114 WILL NOT be instated. I base this on my previous comments about how while it in fact 'passed' on the ballot there were MANY issues that were NOT taken into consideration, understood or rationalized and will affect a LOT more than just gun owners.

My belief is there are actions 'behind the curtain' that revealed this after the fact and the 'powers that be' are looking for a 'tactical retreat' out of this (legally/politically) so they can 'quietly' back out of this.

 

[stick655]

Donated. Is this link available at the front of the site anywhere? We need to get it in front of as many eyes as possible.

I donated as well. So, to get this at the front of the site, you mean like a moderator making a special post about it?

 

[Jcon268]

I donated as well. So, to get this at the front of the site, you mean like a moderator making a special post about it?

Yes that would be a great way to start getting eyes and spread the word.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Re mag ban. Personally I have a strategy to get to July 2026. Hopefully we will have a scotus ruling on ocean state tactical at that time which will reset the legal position of mag bans nation-wide. If scotus doesn't grant cert on the ocean state tactical case (Sept 2024 most likely we would know) then I might change my strategy. But 95% chance my strategy won't change.

 

[R3dundantC]

Aside from those who admit to NOT knowing about 114 are a few I have encountered who are in 'denial' about it.

I suspect part of this is because of their lack of knowledge or understanding of the potential ramifications of the bill and are trying to 'downplay' it as though it's just 'words on paper' and doesn't really mean anything.

I have actually heard from two people who have said, 'oh nothing will change. Dealers will just 'rubber stamp' whatever they need to continue to sell guns'

Unfortunately ONE of these is a very good friend of mine, who while a very smart guy tends to be very 'uninformed' about a LOT of things - especially when it comes to politics and laws - and instead of seeking out the answers he finds it easier to 'believe what he thinks' about most things.

It's so annoying. I have been dealing with one of those types of guys every couple of hours. I kind of like bursting their bubbles though. It's been a constant stream of "oh well the Sheriff isn't going to enforce any of this". And I just go, like, how did you come to that conclusion? Oregon is a point-of-contact state for NICS. The number for the permit will be required to be provided with the background check before OSP will run it. And as far as the mag ban? That bubblegum will be selectively enforced at the minimum like with the 80% reciever ban. People kept saying that counties wouldn't enforce it and the first opportunity to charge someone with it Douglas County didn't even hesitate. You aren't cool enough or important enough to not be charged. Get real, dude.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

It's so annoying. I have been dealing with one of those types of guys every couple of hours. I kind of like bursting their bubbles though. It's been a constant stream of "oh well the Sheriff isn't going to enforce any of this". And I just go, like, how did you come to that conclusion? Oregon is a point-of-contact state for NICS. The number for the permit will be required to run the bcg before OSP will run it. And as far as the mag ban? That bubblegum will be selectively inforced at the minimum like with the 80% reciever ban. People kept saying that counties wouldn't enforce it and the first opportunity to charge someone with it Douglas County didn't even hesitate. You aren't cool enough or important enough to not be charged. Get real, dude.

Agree. Last thing I want to rely on is "officer discretion". I know of one OSP officer in eastern OR who is a well known a-hole that will literally charge you for anything he can. He wouldn't hesitate to charge you. They aren't all like that of course but there is no way to know ahead of time.

 

[RVTECH]

It's so annoying. I have been dealing with one of those types of guys every couple of hours.

I hope he's not as annoying as the guy I deal with!

Hey, don't get me wrong - the guy I know I love like a brother - and he is almost more like 'family' to me than some OF my family but he can't seem to accept certain 'realities' about many things - such as politics and laws. His problem is he constantly 'suggests' what should or should not be done to people or things depending on the situation but he doesn't take into consideration the 'letter of the law' - as most things he suggests he would like to see done are not legal - and probably never would be.

Good example. He is so 'enthralled' with Trump he seems to think no laws or policies apply to him. Whenever he hears of anyone disputing a policy, or an 'X' order of his, such as the case of the judge who recently ordered the Trump administration to release foreign aid payments owed under certain existing contracts, he lost it and expressed his wonder about , 'How does anybody think think they have more power than Trump?'.

Right or wrong that was just an example of how this person thinks and interprets things.

 

[gun2]

And, while considering spending money for guns or mags, please also consider supporting the lawsuit via https://www.givesendgo.com/StateCourt_StopMeasure114/donate

I decided a few years back that half my ammo $$$ was going to fight this stuff… been donating to OFF, GOA, FPC, etc. it's a more important part of the fight than building the ammo fort. I wish gun shops would do something like in optional "round up" for donations or something….

 

[stick655]

I decided a few years back that half my ammo $$$ was going to fight this stuff… been donating to OFF, GOA, FPC, etc. it's a more important part of the fight than building the ammo fort. I wish gun shops would do something like in optional "round up" for donations or something….

This right here...

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I decided a few years back that half my ammo $$$ was going to fight this stuff… been donating to OFF, GOA, FPC, etc. it's a more important part of the fight than building the ammo fort. I wish gun shops would do something like in optional "round up" for donations or something….

Fyi adaptive firing solutions donates $5 for every gun sold and $10 for every suppressor to the m114 fight. They have a tally board for the donations in their shop.

 

[kmk1012]

Fyi adaptive firing solutions donates $5 for every gun sold and $10 for every suppressor to the m114 fight. They have a tally board for the donations in their shop.

That is freaking great, are they the shop in Wilsonville in the professional building?

 

[Colt Carbine]

That is freaking great, are they the shop in Wilsonville in the professional building?

Their place of business is in downtown Oregon City and they're a supporting vendor.

Link below.

Homepage

 

[parkerparker]

I just checked the reddit r/Portland forum. A thread on M114 with 220 comments was posted a day ago. Virtually all of the comments were against 114. I had to look again to make sure I wasn't on r/pdxgunnuts.

I think people really underestimate how many people in the valley are on Reddit and are pro-2A.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I think people really underestimate how many people in the valley are on Reddit and are pro-2A.

Interesting. I didn't know either of those existed. Maybe I'll have to look at them. Still don't know what the bubblegum discord is.

 

[TTSX]

Interesting. I didn't know either of those existed. Maybe I'll have to look at them. Still don't know what the bubblegum discord is.

Discord gets plugged in over here and datcord gets plugged in over there

 

[gearhead]

Discord gets plugged in over here and datcord gets plugged in over there

And detcord makes sure there's nothing to plug in to.