Oregon Measure 114 litigation

[aljames]

Having a misdemeanor conviction within the last four years, is one of the disqualification for a CHL…..

And telling them to pound sand on the CHL is another option! Its also a misdemeanor If you get caught carrying without a CHL and AREN'T in the commission of a crime. IIRC! The criminals just slide the piece into their pocket or wasteband like it was designed to do. Us good guys wait in line to pay a fee, get fingerprinted, photographed and interviewed so we can exercise our rights.

I'm considering a blanket GO GET BENT approach on all of it. These Democrats are out of control. The law is obviously unconstitutional. So....F' EM. I have no duty to follow ANY unconstitutional laws.

On a side note, I heard on the news today that the Democrats are fighting tooth and nail to keep the soft porn books in our grade school childrens libraries. Their argument is of course.....ITS UNCONSTITUTIONAL to take them away. You cant be going around violating someones 1st ammendment rights! Nevermind every other ammendment. But don't forget the 14th! We need that one to keep all of the "dreamers" and natural born Illegals here because of the constitution! What a bunch of pick and choose hipocrites! It all reads like a bad Twilight Zone episode.

PS Don't forget how unconstitutional it is to simply show an ID to vote. ITS ALL SO MADDENING!


M-114
M-114

M-114

Dear Democrats in Salem,

We really don't want to hate you all so passionately! However, you make it nearly impossible for us not to. Most of us have a lot to lose, many of us don't! Good luck!

Sincerly, a PO'ed natural born CITIZEN

 

[TTSX]

Sounds great until you're in front of a black robe facing real consequences

 

[aljames]

That sounds great too. Someone has to be the sacrificial fall guy. That way I can tell the judge what a piece of garbage M-114 is right to his/her/they/them/xi/2a's FACE! At which point I'll sue the state AND win when it finally gets to the Supremes. Then we can all celebrate over High-caps [standard caps] and Hi-life[I don't drink it but it sounded good]. Your welcome!

 

[64MercurysRule]

I think those who want to trash the 2nd amendment are chicken to go after the root of the crime patterns ....... Criminals . The weak minded " Mothers Who Demand To Get Laid " , or whatever they want to call themselves , maybe we honor them with a tar & feather as appropriate .

 

[1775usmc]

That sounds great too. Someone has to be the sacrificial fall guy. That way I can tell the judge what a piece of garbage M-114 is right to his/her/they/them/xi/2a's FACE! At which point I'll sue the state AND win when it finally gets to the Supremes. Then we can all celebrate over High-caps [standard caps] and Hi-life[I don't drink it but it sounded good]. Your welcome!

Bold strategy. Especially not knowing what the future holds.

 

[mhayd93]

Sounds great until you're in front of a black robe facing real consequences

We can thank those who decided to choose the route of noncompliance for many of our 2A related court victories.

 

[Bobbygun]

And telling them to pound sand on the CHL is another option! Its also a misdemeanor If you get caught carrying without a CHL and AREN'T in the commission of a crime. IIRC! The criminals just slide the piece into their pocket or wasteband like it was designed to do. Us good guys wait in line to pay a fee, get fingerprinted, photographed and interviewed so we can exercise our rights.

I'm considering a blanket GO GET BENT approach on all of it. These Democrats are out of control. The law is obviously unconstitutional. So....F' EM. I have no duty to follow ANY unconstitutional laws.

On a side note, I heard on the news today that the Democrats are fighting tooth and nail to keep the soft porn books in our grade school childrens libraries. Their argument is of course.....ITS UNCONSTITUTIONAL to take them away. You cant be going around violating someones 1st ammendment rights! Nevermind every other ammendment. But don't forget the 14th! We need that one to keep all of the "dreamers" and natural born Illegals here because of the constitution! What a bunch of pick and choose hipocrites! It all reads like a bad Twilight Zone episode.

PS Don't forget how unconstitutional it is to simply show an ID to vote. ITS ALL SO MADDENING!


M-114
M-114

M-114

Dear Democrats in Salem,

We really don't want to hate you all so passionately! However, you make it nearly impossible for us not to. Most of us have a lot to lose, many of us don't! Good luck!

Sincerly, a PO'ed natural born CITIZEN

This post reminds me of Clark Griswold in Christmas Vacation when he got signed up for the Jelly of the Month Club instead of the fat bonus check he was expecting.

He had had enough as well!

 

[fmvolume86]

I'm changing precisely zero... Fortunately mags are something I have hundreds of, and with the fact that a magazine violation is a misdemeanor I'll happily take that hit if I'm forced to defend myself with my CCW (The bad guys aren't only going to have 10 rounds). This won't stand when it hits SCOTUS considering that the CA mag ban and Illinois FOID cards have been ruled unConstitutional, but that will take time I'm sure. Until then the POS liberals in charge of Oregon will try to ream our cornholes as much as possible...

Make tar and feathering politicians great again!

yet California still hasn't had a final ruling..... a right that is 2nd on our Constitution and still no relief in California. At the end of the day I will say what I have been saying, they do this becuause they know they can get away with it and they are getting away with it. They get away with it because your average American just says "oh, ok i guess I'll comply to one more illegal law" untill there is nothing left to take because its all been taken away.

 

[metalhead68]

View attachment 2058354

If I read the conditions of 114 correctly they are stating that the only grandfathered in HCM's are ones that are already in your pocession that you have receipts for. I keep receipts for all of my firearms and most of my high dollar optics but not magazines cause I'm never going to need warrenty work on a magazine. Also if I'm understanding the stipulations bolt action and single shot or cylinder fed rifles won't require a permit to purchase. I really want t o see a full break down of the measure and what it its implications are so I can narrow down what to buy in the moment.

 

[Jcon268]

If I read the conditions of 114 correctly they are stating that the only grandfathered in HCM's are ones that are already in your pocession that you have receipts for. I keep receipts for all of my firearms and most of my high dollar optics but not magazines cause I'm never going to need warrenty work on a magazine. Also if I'm understanding the stipulations bolt action and single shot or cylinder fed rifles won't require a permit to purchase. I really want t o see a full break down of the measure and what it its implications are so I can narrow down what to buy in the moment.

Yeah, nobody really keeps receipts for magazines. I've never seen a store that takes them back and there's generally no purpose to it otherwise.

 

[Jcon268]

Has anyone read the testimonies for HB3075 yet? In particular those from people in SUPPORT of it?
I opened up like maybe a dozen or so. They all seem to be hyper-focused on the permit side of it.
I mean I'm pretty sure most of these people aren't gun owners and don't carry guns but it's clear they don't understand the background check system already in place. It's illegal to buy/sell guns in Oregon except through an FFL which REQUIRES a background check. ALREADY. What exactly will a permit system accomplish other than just stall the process of getting a gun?

 

[Camelfilter]

Yeah, nobody really keeps receipts for magazines. I've never seen a store that takes them back and there's generally no purpose to it otherwise.

Not being serialized, receipts don't matter. Much.

Suppose if someone had to have a receipt in court to "prove" their standard capacity magazine(s) were grandfathered, "any" receipt predating "whatever" date could do.

Even better would be the FFL transfer receipt, if whatever standard capacity magazine(s) confiscated came standard with whatever firearm was transferred on whatever date.

That'd do for 1 or a couple standard capacity magazines in court.

For folks inventories of standard capacity magazines? What, is OSP going to be raiding our homes or something over a misdemeanor? Really?

 

[Camelfilter]

Has anyone read the testimonies for HB3075 yet? In particular those from people in SUPPORT of it?
I opened up like maybe a dozen or so. They all seem to be hyper-focused on the permit side of it.
I mean I'm pretty sure most of these people aren't gun owners and don't carry guns but it's clear they don't understand the background check system already in place. It's illegal to buy/sell guns in Oregon except through an FFL which REQUIRES a background check. ALREADY. What exactly will a permit system accomplish other than just stall the process of getting a gun?

Exactly what the goal is. Stalling the process, making the process more complicated & having FFL's go out of business..

 

[PiratePast40]

Has anyone read the testimonies for HB3075 yet? In particular those from people in SUPPORT of it?
I opened up like maybe a dozen or so. They all seem to be hyper-focused on the permit side of it.
I mean I'm pretty sure most of these people aren't gun owners and don't carry guns but it's clear they don't understand the background check system already in place. It's illegal to buy/sell guns in Oregon except through an FFL which REQUIRES a background check. ALREADY. What exactly will a permit system accomplish other than just stall the process of getting a gun?

The background check system already existing was their big lie to get people to vote M114 in the first place. I hope there's a special place in hell for so called "religious" leaders that purposely mislead and lie to people for personal gain.

 

[Jcon268]

The background check system already existing was their big lie to get people to vote M114 in the first place. I hope there's a special place in hell for so called "religious" leaders that purposely mislead and lie to people for personal gain.

Yes, they know they would never have won if they told the truth about guns, buying guns or anything about how they work. It's clear in ALL the rhetoric that antis use (fires a bajillion rounds a second, etc.) I blame them but I also blame the sheep too stupid and ignorant to do a little of their own research.

 

[metalhead68]

Not being serialized, receipts don't matter. Much.

Suppose if someone had to have a receipt in court to "prove" their standard capacity magazine(s) were grandfathered, "any" receipt predating "whatever" date could do.

Even better would be the FFL transfer receipt, if whatever standard capacity magazine(s) confiscated came standard with whatever firearm was transferred on whatever date.

That'd do for 1 or a couple standard capacity magazines in court.

For folks inventories of standard capacity magazines? What, is OSP going to be raiding our homes or something over a misdemeanor? Really?

There's a lot of unanswered questions in regards to this measure. What's it going to do to USPSA matches in Oregon ? Both carry optics and unlimited are supporting more than 17 in the mag. It would be pretty difficult to run some courses limited to ten round mags

 

[1775usmc]

There's a lot of unanswered questions in regards to this measure. What's it going to do to USPSA matches in Oregon ? Both carry optics and unlimited are supporting more than 17 in the mag. It would be pretty difficult to run some courses limited to ten round mags

If you read the measure you can use your mags in those instances. If you already have them…..

This whole measure is for the mentally disabled.

 

[lucusloc]

If you read the measure you can use your mags in those instances. If you already have them…..

This whole measure is for the mentally disabled.

And we can just screw anyone who is just coming of age and wanting to get their own stuff to participate. . .

 

[gunnoob75]

So let's say that you get pulled over, and had a Glock with two 17 round mags, and the cop notices it. Then what? You surrender your 17 round mags to the cop then and there, and then you aren't charged for carrying the mags or possession of them? So no misdemeanor then?

You tell him it's none of his business, and if you have to you roll up your window and call a militia or something like people's rights for help in the moment.

Do not give them an inch.

 

[1775usmc]

And we can just screw anyone who is just coming of age and wanting to get their own stuff to participate. . .

Are you suggesting that I am excited about this? Cause if so you are way off.