Man leaps bench and attacks judge....

[Mikej]

Seriously? WTF??

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[arakboss]

All those years of watching WWF, paid off.

 

[Mikej]

All those years of watching WWF, paid off.

He was a "New" man I think he said. Damn man, he ought to get 20 years for attacking a judge.

 

[Nosferatu]

I can *kinda* empathize with his reaction. That judge had her mind made up before she allowed him to say his piece. She was going to send him away no matter what he said.

Unless you have money, once you're in the system, it's damn near impossible to get out.

Obviously doesn't justify his attack - there isn't one, but I can sorta get it.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Play with the scale get the hammer!

 

[Mikej]

I can *kinda* empathize with his reaction. That judge had her mind made up before she allowed him to say his piece. She was going to send him away no matter what he said.

Unless you have money, once you're in the system, it's damn near impossible to get out.

Obviously doesn't justify his attack - there isn't one, but I can sorta get it.

The guys record sealed his deal for me. Sounds to me like he was fine after every time in the system, until he wasn't any more. I don't really care if you don't have the self control to get out of the system. The system is not only for punishment. The system is there, just as much, to keep ME SAFE from scum like that. If he had wailed on you because you wouldn't give him money for a tall boy./smokes you wouldn't "kinda" empathize I'd guess.

 

[Nosferatu]

The guys record sealed his deal for me. Sounds to me like he was fine after every time in the system, until he wasn't any more. I don't really care if you don't have the self control to get out of the system. The system is not only for punishment. The system is there, just as much, to keep ME SAFE from scum like that. If he had wailed on you because you wouldn't give him money for a tall boy./smokes you wouldn't "kinda" empathize I'd guess.

I get that.

But I've known a lot of guys who honestly wanted to do the right thing. Tried getting jobs - couldn't because of their record. Wanted to get to a new area, but couldn't because of 1. His record. 2. No money 3. Probation forbid it.

I'm not making excuses for this guy, but there are a lot of people genuinely getting screwed again and again all the while under the guise of 'justice'. I see no justice in sending a guy away who's at least making an effort to right the ship, even if they take a step back at times.

Now in this case I don't know what he did to be in front of a judge again - it could have been violent, which would change my opinion on this sentencing.

You can't make a future if your chained down by your past.

 

[Unicykle]

I get that.

But I've known a lot of guys who honestly wanted to do the right thing. Tried getting jobs - couldn't because of their record. Wanted to get to a new area, but couldn't because of 1. His record. 2. No money 3. Probation forbid it.

I'm not making excuses for this guy, but there are a lot of people genuinely getting screwed again and again all the while under the guise of 'justice'. I see no justice in sending a guy away who's at least making an effort to right the ship, even if they take a step back at times.

Now in this case I don't know what he did to be in front of a judge again - it could have been violent, which would change my opinion on this sentencing.

You can't make a future if your chained down by your past.

Recidivism rates in the U.S. are some of the highest in the world with almost 44% of criminals released returning to prison within their first year out.

people don't change.

 

[Nosferatu]

people don't change.

I did.

 

[Tarawa86]

Buddy looked like a flying squirrel for a second. Impressive leap.

 

[Mikej]

I did.

I have the greatest respect for those have have turned themselves around. I know couple of them personally.

 

[Alexx1401]

Seriously? WTF??

Well he certainly showed the black robe how well he was doing.

 

[Alexx1401]

Recidivism rates in the U.S. are some of the highest in the world with almost 44% of criminals released returning to prison within their first year out.

people don't change.

Many do not. Some do. All should get a chance. This scum had had a LOT of 2nd chances and he then showed the black robe how well those chances were working for him.

 

[Alexx1401]

I can *kinda* empathize with his reaction. That judge had her mind made up before she allowed him to say his piece. She was going to send him away no matter what he said.

Unless you have money, once you're in the system, it's damn near impossible to get out.

Obviously doesn't justify his attack - there isn't one, but I can sorta get it.

Did you hear some of what she had said? This did not sound like someone who made a mistake and was now kept down. He was a career criminal. His reaction to the judge no longer slapping his hand yet again shows how well he is able to be an adult. He is a prime example of someone who will spend the rest of his life making one poor choice after another and expecting everyone else to just let it go.

 

[Certaindeaf]

.You can't make a future if your chained down by your past.

Mofo wasn't chained down.. sprouted demon wings ffs.

 

[Alexx1401]

Mofo wasn't chained down.. sprouted demon wings ffs.

He was certainly physically able to work.
I have over the years worked with a hell of a lot of ex cons. It's total that they can't find work. There is a ton of jobs right now that don't care if they have a record. His big problem seemed to be pounding on women.

 

[Nosferatu]

Did you hear some of what she had said? This did not sound like someone who made a mistake and was now kept down. He was a career criminal. His reaction to the judge no longer slapping his hand yet again shows how well he is able to be an adult. He is a prime example of someone who will spend the rest of his life making one poor choice after another and expecting everyone else to just let it go.

I'm not disputing that. I never said he didn't deserve what he got. Just providing a different perspective from someone who has been through some of it and seen former associates go through the worst of it.

But clearly my message isn't getting through, so I'm out.

 

[joken]

I know a man who turned his life around and is publicly thankful for the happiness he has today.

 

[CountryGent]

I know well personal redemption can and does occur. I've seen it from various perspectives. It is, however, the exception, not the norm. I wish that wasn't so, but that is true of a lot of things in this crazy world.

As to this video; yikes.

 

[lucusloc]

Adding to the conversation; redemption needs to come despite of, or even because of, "harsh" treatment by the justice system. You cannot expect to get leniency for the promise of future redemption. True redemption is manifest in good behavior despite still challenging situations; time in the system, time out on parole with all the difficulty with jobs and housing, etc. If people are going to use challenging situations as an excuse for recidivism they are missing the point. If you are going to require a friendly environment to maintain good behavior how can anyone say you have been redeemed, and will not just revert when life gets tough again?

(Please note we are not talking about our justice system's penchant to over-sentence otherwise trivial crimes. The state often views challenges to its authority, no matter how benign, as a far worse offense than even violence towards other plebes. People who challenge the system, even in ways that harm no one, often face harsher treatment than rapists and murderers. This is grossly misplaced priories and an affront to true justice, but that is another topic entirely. This guy does not appear to fall into this category and indeed looks like he got off lightly on prior violent offenses. The only way his case relates to the above problem is he should have had the book thrown at him far earlier, but since he had never assaulted any kind of authority (before now) no one saw fit to sentence him how he truly deserved.)