M855 Ammo Ban

[freestoneangler]

If they thought they could get away with it they would ban ammunition, period.
Any ban is a bad and evil thing and must be fought hard.

Spot on. This is tyranny one drip at a time. It is clear we have a dictator acting as the POTUS and he is, sadly, being emboldened by those many of us just voted into the house and senate on the promise this would be halted. It appears all of them have had a spineoectomy. I simply cannot believe what is going on at present... it may be worse than when Pelosi and Reid were running the farm.

 

[Oregonhunter5]

Question. Can the use of executive order be used for anything?
Is there anything we can't stop?

 

[Bigfoot]

This and the FCC overreach might just make 2016 a lock for a legitimate small government candidate.

So prices will get jacked up till Jan 2017. If it gets us a government cutting Reagan style President I'm ok.

 

[jjackffrost]

just got the last of the battle packs from ammoman the sold out today. https://www.northwestfirearms.com/threads/what-did-you-do-today-to-prep.17206/page-259#post-1230533

 

[boogerhook]

Question. Can the use of executive order be used for anything?
Is there anything we can't stop?

The most famous early EO was Lincoln's "Emancipation Proclamation". EOs are typically given when Congress has given the President discretion to "make law" or if Congress has been inactive on pressing issues. EOs are still subject to judicial review and can be struck down by the courts.

 

[Lilhigbee]

Executive Orders can be used for anything as long as no one who is able to challenge them will. Big Ears keeps making them and everyone just jumps into line. My copy of the Constitution doesn't give the president the power of Executive Order for ANYTHING. Perhaps it has a clause missing??

 

[boogerhook]

no such clause.... just executive powers, which includes giving orders to all agencies in the executive branch

 

[Oregonhunter5]

At some point, the dems will slow him down one way or another. They can't blow there load until the Bull D takes office.

 

[U201491]

They've already decided to ban it, the public comment time is simply a mere formality they have to observe, then they'll make it official afterwards.

Yep far better to light a fire under your Congressman and Senator, or at least those that will act even if in other states.
Telling the devil that he is evil only makes it smile.
Send in the team that can punch them with some holy water.

 

[U201491]

i see your point, and raise you $1,000. i think the little kenyan will try his best, but fall short due to tee times. i think bull dyke hillary will for sure slam the gun ban through.
and i truly believe that we the people are not ready to give up, and this my friends will start the new civil unrest.

The people are too blank lazy to do squat anymore. That is shown more every day.
Too many complacent freebie takers and wannabe Marxists and the rest are in a
solid state of terminal apathy. Anyone left over is in a state of hopelessness.
I was thinking a real 1776 might happen before 2016, but the more I see the
chance of that is near zero. They can't even do what is needed to nullify areally bad law.

 

[ARKLITE881South]

The government will soon declare it's independence from the people.

As far as I'm concerned, they already have, so much for ''transparency'' that one word is a honest to God JOKE in this government.

 

[Bacchus]

In a move clearly intended by the Obama Administration to suppress the acquisition, ownership and use of AR-15s and other .223 caliber general purpose rifles, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives unexpectedly announced today that it intends to ban commonplace M855 ball ammunition as "armor piercing ammunition."

Ya gotta ask yourself ... Who did you vote for ?

 

[Stomper]

Not MY President.

 

[Mr.B]

If a republican had pulled half the bs this guy has, he would have been impeached long ago. I don't buy the whole party bubblegum anymore, just tired of the double standards.

 

[Brigadier]

Did anyone here actually NOT expect this once the AR15 pistols started becoming popular? No one remembers the 90's when Bushmaster[?] created an AK pistol, and the ATF promptly banned Chinese steel core 7.62X39mm ammo?

If this surprises you, you need to start studying history.

 

[Hawaiian]

Lawmakers won't be silenced over Obama administration's proposed ammo ban.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...stration-proposed-ammo-ban/?intcmp=latestnews

 

[U201491]

This is a real drag. I shoot a lot of 62gr stuff. I much prefer it to 55 gr ball. I went looking this morning and already there is little federal available. I found some import M855 and bought a few cases but had to pay 20% more than I have been( .40/rd). I fear that even as we speak the days of .33-.35 m855 are over for good. I bet within a week there will be none to be had and I doubt that it wil be back on the shelf before the ban takes effect (if it passes)

22LR on a new scale all over again

 

[U201491]

If I was going to be shot, I would much rather it be by the FMJ including the 855's than a soft point
LOL
Their total stupidity exceeds all the "DUMB" that has ever existed.

 

[shybladder]

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150213/batfe-to-ban-common-ar-15-ammo

In a move clearly intended by the Obama Administration to suppress the acquisition, ownership and use of AR-15s and other .223 caliber general purpose rifles, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives unexpectedly announced today that it intends to ban commonplace M855 ball ammunition as "armor piercing ammunition." The decision continues Obama's use of his executive authority to impose gun control restrictions and bypass Congress.

It isn't even the third week of February, and the BATFE has already taken three major executive actions on gun control. First, it was a major change to what activities constitute regulated "manufacturing" of firearms. Next, BATFE reversed a less than year old position on firing a shouldered "pistol." Now, BATFE has released a"Framework for Determining Whether Certain Projectiles are 'Primarily Intended for Sporting Purposes' Within the Meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(c)", which would eliminate M855's exemption to the armor piercing ammunition prohibition and make future exemptions nearly impossible.

By way of background, federal law imposed in 1986 prohibits the manufacture, importation, and sale by licensed manufacturers or importers, but not possession, of "a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely . . . from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium." Because there are handguns capable of firing M855, it "may be used in a handgun." It does not, however, have a core made of the metals listed in the law; rather, it has a traditional lead core with a steel tip, and therefore should never have been considered "armor piercing." Nonetheless, BATFE previously declared M855 to be "armor piercing ammunition," but granted it an exemption as a projectile "primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes."

Now, however, BATFE says that it will henceforth grant the "sporting purposes" exception to only two categories of projectiles:

Category I: .22 Caliber Projectiles
A .22 caliber projectile that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B) will be considered to be "primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes" under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile weighs 40 grains or less AND is loaded into a rimfire cartridge.

Category II: All Other Caliber Projectiles
Except as provided in Category I (.22 caliber rimfire), projectiles that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition will be presumed to be "primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes" under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile is loaded into a cartridge for which the only handgun that is readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade is a single shot handgun. ATF nevertheless retains the discretion to deny any application for a "sporting purposes" exemption if substantial evidence exists that the ammunition is not primarily intended for such purposes.

BATFE is accepting comments until March 16, 2015 on this indefensible attempt to disrupt ammunition for the most popular rifle in America. Check back early next week for a more in-depth analysis of this "framework" and details on how you can submit comments.


HOW TO COMMENT:
How to comment – from the BATFE
ATF will carefully consider all comments, as appropriate, received on or before March 16, 2015, and will give comments received after that date the same consideration if it is practical to do so, but assurance of consideration cannot be given except as to comments received on or before March 16, 2015. ATF will not acknowledge receipt of comments. Submit comments in any of three ways (but do not submit the same comments multiple times or by more than one method):

ATF email: [email protected]

Fax: (202) 648-9741.

Mail: Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Denise Brown, Enforcement Programs and Services, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, U.S. Department of Justice, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226; telephone: (202) 648-7070.

 

[shybladder]

When pigs fly!!!!!!