I saw the recession coming, real estate imploding, etc, so in 2008 when it hit, my thoughts then were "it's about time" rather than "what's happening?" I have been hoping quietly for a recovery. Knowing that the forces at work that will eventually sink modern civilization are still there. Hope that we have one more boom cycle, one more time around for me to keep my job and make enough money to jump out at the next peak and get a self sustained place in the middle of nowhere with solar/wind, lots of water, garden, crops, access to good hunting and/or fishing, etc. I spend lots of time reading the news lately. I don't think it's gonna come back around. Things are just coming off the rails with such increasing frequency I think we have less than a year or two before we are all really on our own. If you know of Michael Ruppert and his message, great, if not, give him a listen. He just did another talk (in Vermont) just a couple weeks ago, and here it is to view. Give a hour of your time, and let this sink in: http://www.cctv.org/watch-tv/programs/author-and-peak-oil-activist-michael-ruppert Now, he talks about the soon to be released social networking for a post-collapse world, collapsenet (not sure the URL yet). The idea for like minded individuals to join together and talk about their skills, and how they might form new communities after the age of fiat money and oil. The "re-localization" movement. It's about forming "lifeboats" or small self sustaining communities. There is 10 acres out in the Gorge area I have been looking at. It has lots of trees, and some open areas. It's about 2 miles off the highway. It's on a gently sloping hillside coming off a huge agricultural (wheat) plateau. The ground water is pretty much on the surface, there is a spring coming out of the ground that just weeps water all the time. It gets tons of sunshine (solar), and LOTS of wind (turbines). There is tons of deer, elk, and birds (hunting). It's pretty isolated, but within 5 miles of a small farming town. After years of searching, it's as close to the perfect "lifeboat" as I can find. I can't afford to buy it with cash. And I don't need 10 acres for myself. I'd like to have few other people on my "lifeboat," neighbors to watch out for one another, share in combined gardening, etc. And this forum is the best place I can think of for finding such people. I propose that for anyone interested, we all form a land trust, and buy the property together, and share in it's use and development into a working lifeboat property. It could easily support 10 families, but I could make the purchase work with as little as one other party. It could grow as the collapse unfolds, as your extended family "gets it" and needs a place to go. And if everything turns out OK and the world keeps on turning, you'll have a nice weekend getaway, and/or retirement home. Please PM me if you are interested.