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Ouch! That's pretty straight walled.
But we know advertisers have put some pretty lame stuff in photos. The infamous backwards bullets.
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Lever gun compacting rounds
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But we know advertisers have put some pretty lame stuff in photos. The infamous backwards bullets.
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Freedom Munitions is known for having issues, They sell a lot of reman's, and I would be very cautious if yours are such.
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Freedom munitions is pretty much all remans using Xtreme bullets, after all they're owned by the same people.
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I've been competing with one of these rifles for over 20 years and for sure and for certain, the rounds are not crimped enough.
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Looks like Rainier or Berry's (i.e. swaged soft lead) bullets. Not a good lever gun projectile, as a cannelure or heavy crimp can cause the copper plating to separate from the bullet. Any good jacketed bullet with a heavy crimp will be fine.
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A taper crimp could also be used to help. I'm putting money on no crimp used or barely taper crimp used. Under recoil, the rounds in the tube hammer on each other. The spring lets up momentarily and then hammers the rounds back into place. This can cause bullets to seat further, and if pointed ammo is used, detonation.
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I went digging into cans and have a bunch of misc and partial boxes of 38 and 357 (factory) if ya want to try a few. Also have a bunch of Hornady critical defense carry ammo that has been rotated out of speed loaders and pistols over the years. If ya make it down here I think you could find out what would work.......
Have a couple boxes (full) of rem. and I think blazer also. I reload so I have plenty around here for me.
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This is what happens when Freedoms dies get out of adjustment or they get a batch of brass that is too short to hit the roll crimp in the die.
I see people on reloading boards all the time tell others that they never trim pistol brass. This is one place that comes back to bite them. A good reliable roll crimp requires the brass to be a uniform length. If you adjust your die for the average length the long ones are going to have too much crimp and the short ones too little. DR
I see people on reloading boards all the time tell others that they never trim pistol brass. This is one place that comes back to bite them. A good reliable roll crimp requires the brass to be a uniform length. If you adjust your die for the average length the long ones are going to have too much crimp and the short ones too little. DR
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So you don't set your .357 roll crimp at .38 special heights like everyone else?
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I just rechecked their site and they do make a 125 and 158gr fp with a cannelure and one without, wonder if someone grabbed the wrong ones. The OP pic doesnt look like it has it based on their photo of the ones that do. Would like to pull one apart and see because doing a correct crimp as you offered if cannelure is there would sure fix it.
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That would be interesting to pull one, if @UnionMillsNW and I do connect (or anyone else for that matter), it would be interesting to see what was used.
Good catch @deadeye
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Much appreciated!
I'm interested too. Would love to connect and troubleshoot
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That's a recipe for disaster that shouldn't even be joked about."poor mans +P"
just tap the bullet down a tad with a hammer.
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A good roll crimp for your reloads is a good thing.
If it's factory ammo.....buy a different brand.
Is your rifle even rated for 10 rounds of .38 special?
*BTW.....I cut my spring just a tad so that I could fit 10 rounds of .38 special in my Marlin 1894 carbine. And IIRC, it was only rated for 9 rounds of .38 special from the factory. AND.....the COAL length of my reloads were extended to 1.50" (in order to get smoother feeding/functioning).
In other words....if you're going to "play".....it may take some "fiddling" to get it all to work smoothly together.
Aloha, Mark
PS.....STOP, STOP, STOP.......
*CORRECTION NEEDED.
My Marlin 1894C was rated for 10 rounds of .38 special. However, I could NOT fit 10 rounds of .357 Mag in the magazine. So, I had to cut the magazine spring. Now, with the trimmed spring.....it will fit and function with 10 rounds of either cartridge. BUT, mine is an older model. Hopefully, the newer production Marlin's don't need this "fix."
If it's factory ammo.....buy a different brand.
Is your rifle even rated for 10 rounds of .38 special?
*BTW.....I cut my spring just a tad so that I could fit 10 rounds of .38 special in my Marlin 1894 carbine. And IIRC, it was only rated for 9 rounds of .38 special from the factory. AND.....the COAL length of my reloads were extended to 1.50" (in order to get smoother feeding/functioning).
In other words....if you're going to "play".....it may take some "fiddling" to get it all to work smoothly together.
Aloha, Mark
PS.....STOP, STOP, STOP.......
*CORRECTION NEEDED.
My Marlin 1894C was rated for 10 rounds of .38 special. However, I could NOT fit 10 rounds of .357 Mag in the magazine. So, I had to cut the magazine spring. Now, with the trimmed spring.....it will fit and function with 10 rounds of either cartridge. BUT, mine is an older model. Hopefully, the newer production Marlin's don't need this "fix."
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I'm going to try some different manufacturers and see if that makes a difference. My rifle is rated for 10 rounds of 357 mag....so 10 rounds of 38 spl shouldn't have been any issue.
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You are correct. As a .357 Mag is LONGER than a .38 Special.
BUT THEN.....
Hopefully, It isn't a problem/fault of......too long or strong of a magazine spring. If you do end up cutting it. Be careful and go slowly. Test frequently.
Aloha, Mark
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If they are going to do this, it helps to use brass at least from the same manufacturer, if not the same lot. Mixed brand pistol brass can cause trim issues.
Using single stage equipment, many experienced reloaders don't seat and crimp in the same stroke. They crimp as a second step. If trim issues are present with the brass, you can compensate for this by dialing down the crimp die a bit and do each one by feel. But having that good feel for crimping depth by the each takes experience.
It's well known that revolver-type cartridges should have cannelured bullets and a good roll crimp. Yet some of the pictures in this thread seem to show factory rounds assembled without crimp.
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i don't normally use roll crimps, but when i do, i prefer to roll my own.
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Talking about crimps.
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Cartridge Crimping Styles and Uses
Cartridge crimping is the final step in producing ammunition and it must be done. But the type of crimp used to hold a bullet in place all depends on the type of ammo you're reloading.
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Crimp Your Cartridges! (The Factory Secret For Better Loads) - The LocaCarnivore
A worrisome thought occurred to me as I pulled the last .300 Winchester Magnum cartridge from my rifle's magazine after a successful whitetail hunt in Montana. The rounds looked odd, not right in the least. Good news--bad news. Good news, a yummy buck lay at my feet in peaceful repose. The .300...
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